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  • #16
    Yes, a decent dwelling is very expensive in Ukraine when you compare avarage rent payments and avarage salaries. So if you can buy an apartment that is great. I would do just that. But do not be in hurry. You said you liked it here but visiting and living are not the same. You better come, live for some time and then make such an essential investment.

    Re legal grounds for living in Ukraine, you know not all options. As I understand you are a citizen of the US so yes you will need certain legal ground for staying here. Not knowing the whole story of yours, now I can say you can obtain permanent residency due to the fact you are of Ukrainian origin. It will take some time but it is not that difficult as you might think and it is definitely easier than investing USD 100k.

    Re job oportunities. Ukraine is one of the world leaders in outsourcing IT specialists worldwide. All smart guys here try to get hired by foreign IT companies especially by American ones. I think it is a bad idea for you to come and find a job here as you can easily (or at least easier) find a job in the US and come and just live in Ukraine.

    If you are a business thinking person, then you might consider setting up an IT company here that pays only 5% tax, hire local IT guys and provide IT services to American companies. This has become a popular business structure recently and american companies does just this. I am saying this as I worked with such companies.

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    • #17
      Why are estate agents so greedy?

      Can anyone advise me why a Ukrainian estate agent requires 3% of a property sale value if he sells your home. Does he undertake to do all of the property documentation processing as well, as I believe a lawyer is still required. In the the UK an estate agent will typically take 1% or 1.5% of the sale value, but the seller has to engage a solicitor also.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Gotno Gizmo View Post
        Can anyone advise me why a Ukrainian estate agent requires 3% of a property sale value if he sells your home. Does he undertake to do all of the property documentation processing as well, as I believe a lawyer is still required. In the the UK an estate agent will typically take 1% or 1.5% of the sale value, but the seller has to engage a solicitor also.
        I guess this is because he evaluates himself so much considering the market.

        In general you do not need a lawyer. You will need only a notary to notarize your sale-purchase agreement. If you are a seller and you are paid before transferring the title and you are using your own agreement template, then basically you do not need a lawyer as well to ckeck the agreement. But you should also make sure the buyer won't have a reason to return your house after some time and claim his/her money back. So a lawyer is not required but is advized.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Pitter Pen View Post
          Yes, a decent dwelling is very expensive in Ukraine when you compare avarage rent payments and avarage salaries. So if you can buy an apartment that is great. I would do just that. But do not be in hurry. You said you liked it here but visiting and living are not the same. You better come, live for some time and then make such an essential investment.

          Re legal grounds for living in Ukraine, you know not all options. As I understand you are a citizen of the US so yes you will need certain legal ground for staying here. Not knowing the whole story of yours, now I can say you can obtain permanent residency due to the fact you are of Ukrainian origin. It will take some time but it is not that difficult as you might think and it is definitely easier than investing USD 100k.

          Re job oportunities. Ukraine is one of the world leaders in outsourcing IT specialists worldwide. All smart guys here try to get hired by foreign IT companies especially by American ones. I think it is a bad idea for you to come and find a job here as you can easily (or at least easier) find a job in the US and come and just live in Ukraine.

          If you are a business thinking person, then you might consider setting up an IT company here that pays only 5% tax, hire local IT guys and provide IT services to American companies. This has become a popular business structure recently and american companies does just this. I am saying this as I worked with such companies.
          Thanks for your reply PP.
          On one hand, as much as I hate renting, I will have to do so regardless at least for a couple of months until I find a job. Yes, I am a US citizen; however, since I was born in Uzbekistan, I presume I am still an Uzbek citizen. Some people say when an Uzbek citizen becomes a citizen of another country, the Uzbek citizenship automatically cancels itself, some say it's a manual process, which can take up to 5 years, and I am not about to waste 5 years of my life on that. If I can legally live and work in Ukraine, then it will be good enough for me; so to answer your question, no - I do not have any Ukrainian origin.

          Yes, I have heard of Ukraine’s job opportunities and the funny thing is that I currently work for one of the world’s largest paper and pulp manufacturing companies AND the funniest thing is that they do have an office in Kiev! The bad thing is all they do is sales, which I know nothing about. Since I am an IT person, they told me that they could not help me finding a job within the company in Ukraine. I am yet to research some more companies here in US that do at least some business in Kiev, although, I do not have a problem working for a non-American IT company.

          Speaking of business, yes I do have a business-oriented mindset. Opening a business requires a capital, which at this point I do not have. I also need to get to know the right people and learn the law. You are right, visiting and living in the country is two different things. I understand things are not going to be easy but I am not afraid of that. I do take risks.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Gotno Gizmo View Post
            Can anyone advise me why a Ukrainian estate agent requires 3% of a property sale value if he sells your home. Does he undertake to do all of the property documentation processing as well, as I believe a lawyer is still required. In the the UK an estate agent will typically take 1% or 1.5% of the sale value, but the seller has to engage a solicitor also.
            Not really relevant to my thread, but can't you just find another estate agent? Did you discuss with him/her how much they will take from the sale prior to letting them sell something for you? If you can get away without having to deal with a lawyer, I would do that. There are plenty of templates available online for free and make sure you state that the sale is final and "you do not accept returns" LOL

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            • #21
              Guess everything that's going on right now completely changes my plans... That's just very unfortunate.

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              • #22
                How have you been?

                Yes, very unfortunate. Have your plans change temporarily? I don't know if the job prospects have changes, but Kyiv is stable now from what I see.



                See whats been posted in the past day.


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                • #23
                  Originally posted by stepanstas View Post
                  How have you been?

                  Yes, very unfortunate. Have your plans change temporarily? I don't know if the job prospects have changes, but Kyiv is stable now from what I see.
                  Hey man, I've been patiently waiting : ) What's going on with you? I can't really say that it's THAT stable there right now. I watch both Russian and Ukrainian news and it would be just too stupid of me to go there right now. I will not be outlining the news but considering everything, sadly I will probably not be going there any time soon.

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                  • #24
                    From a American who has traveled
                    WELL SAID ! Bravo !
                    many things you say are true
                    I do not agree with everything, I am self made and started with nothing, I have bad times and good times but try and smile as much as possible.
                    why NOT be happy ? its better then sad
                    without a long winded post I will say
                    when traveling to Cozumel one year on vacation I took note of something
                    everyone on island dreams of moving to America
                    everyone in America dreams of moving to islands in the tropics
                    yes, I know this is a not true and not every American wants to live on a island, I just found it Ironic how people
                    "always think the grass is greener on the other side "
                    there is MANY amazing, awesome places in this world
                    and like anywhere and with any group of persons
                    there is good and bad in everyone and every place
                    Life, be it here, in Kiev or some remote island
                    is what YOU make of it..
                    I am stepping off my soap box now.. but I want to say i truly enjoyed your well written and in many ways true post.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Joeybagodonuts View Post
                      From a American who has traveled
                      WELL SAID ! Bravo !
                      many things you say are true
                      I do not agree with everything, I am self made and started with nothing, I have bad times and good times but try and smile as much as possible.
                      why NOT be happy ? its better then sad
                      without a long winded post I will say
                      when traveling to Cozumel one year on vacation I took note of something
                      everyone on island dreams of moving to America
                      everyone in America dreams of moving to islands in the tropics
                      yes, I know this is a not true and not every American wants to live on a island, I just found it Ironic how people
                      "always think the grass is greener on the other side "
                      there is MANY amazing, awesome places in this world
                      and like anywhere and with any group of persons
                      there is good and bad in everyone and every place
                      Life, be it here, in Kiev or some remote island
                      is what YOU make of it..
                      I am stepping off my soap box now.. but I want to say i truly enjoyed your well written and in many ways true post.
                      I appreciate your feedback, good sir. Your experience in South America seems to be pretty interesting indeed. I always thought that it is pretty apparent why people from South America see a better life in North America. I can only name a few reasons, but I am sure the list is a lot longer: higher crime, economic problems which don't seem to get resolved or always get postponed, drug issues and finally corrupt political leaders... I am not saying that there is a country that do not have this type of problems but the States is the closest place for the people from the islands to move to - so they keep their hopes.

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                      • #26
                        Well, it's been exactly a year since this topic was created, so I thought I shall give you guys a quick update on things (if anybody cares)... I am glad to see that this topic has so many views and I hope that at least one person finds it interesting/helpful.

                        I have not moved to Ukraine... I am not going to tell you why because those of you who stay on top of Ukraine's news should already know the reason... I truly feel sorry for everything that's happening there and I believe that one day everything will go back to normal.

                        I have traveled to Russia for a couple of weeks this summer where I've visited some of my old friends from school as well as my relatives. I've attempted to find a job before and after my visit unfortunately without much success but I don't lose my hope. I still have my old, boring office job (not sure if I've mentioned it before) that continuously pushes me towards just quitting and doing something else, but I just can't allow myself to do that right now. That's really it. I don't know if I should check/update this thread every now and then because I feel like it reflects me as a person, although I realize that this is a Ukrainian forum, not some kind of forum where I can whine about life LOL... Everything is good otherwise.

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                        • #27
                          Thanks for the update. Yes it was very interesting and helpful to read. I'm glad all is going well for you, and hope you are able to find work and living situation that suits you. !

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                          • #28
                            Hey everyone!

                            It sure is nice to be back here as it's been almost 2 years since I created this topic. I guess it is time to update!

                            So, a couple of things have happened since my last post. First, I've been to a couple of relationships. No, I did not get married or anything like that and quite frankly, none of them have ended happily. I've learned a lot and actually looked over the things I've been previously saying in this thread. The majority of it is the same though but that's not the point. My office job is no longer as boring due to recent promotion, so I got more things to play with now.

                            The biggest thing I wanted to tell you guys is that I recently found a girl I really like. We've met online and she is from Odessa and I really want to visit her but due to current circumstances I do not feel very safe going that direction right now. As much as I don't want to get this political crap between us - I don't know what to do at this point. She tells me that there are plenty of agencies that could help her get a tourist visa, however, she has no income (pretty typical situation for most girls there), lives with her parents and the only thing that could change something - if I came there instead.

                            So, I am here to ask you guys - what do you think? What would be the right thing to do? And also, what are the chances of her getting a visa, so she can come here?

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                            • #29
                              Go and visit her! Odessa is a pretty safe area now. I wouldn't hesitate to wander over there even when they had some problems there.

                              If you want to be very safe then don't wander about after dark. That seems to be when the Russian cockroaches come out to raise heII.


                              Retirement sucks! You never get a day off!!!

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