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    In England, several years ago, Quakers entered into the cocoa and chocolate processing business. As their enterprises grew, being good Christians, they used part of the profits to build new and decent homes for their employees to live in, and later school houses within which their employee’s children could gain an education. This was a revolutionary event at a time when the vast majority of workers were being exploited, with children forced to work in coal mines, and with all workers being housed in appalling conditions etc.
    In more recent times, the inheritors of these now well established business enterprises, had abandoned their predecessor’s virtues and adapted greater cash generating business methods. The charitable approach to the employees had long since gone. The wholesomeness of their original chocolate products was reduced by the addition of vegetable fats and other cheaper ingredients to increase profitability. At this point these enterprises became subject to the “Smart Money” global oligarchy. Kraft (USA) and Nestle (Switzerland) who came along with cash offers that secured these businesses and their successful brands for global marketing.
    Subsequently, these processing plants have been, or are being gradually closed down. Jobs that funded working class families are being lost. The chocolate production is mostly being taken out of England or otherwise being consolidated into one of the new owner’s fully mechanised food processing plants where little human labour is required.
    I tell this story because it illustrates the situation prevailing, that is giving rise to growing unrest amongst the working classes, not only in England but across much of Europe. Young people are being especially frustrated. Commerce takes advantage of their immaturity by persuading them that they must possess their brand of goods (often more expensive), at a time when the same organisations are removing the possibility of these young persons ability to earn within their localities. Is it a wonder that they are starting to riot on the streets at every opportunity.
    I suspect that many of you in the USA particularly, will smell a “commie” here. Because of my past personal experiences in communist Europe, I hate all that occurred under the auspices of the hammer and sickle. Furthermore my own intelligence tells me that a regime who tries to pay its bus drivers a similar rate of pay to its brain surgeons is on a road to ruin. But there must be a middle way. Global capitalism is impacting badly on people’s lives and the environment and must not be allowed to run amok because weak governments do not have the balls to stand up to their sophisticated multi-national, bordering on fraud, tax evading, self serving interests, that are becoming harmful to everyone else.
    Last edited by Gotno Gizmo; 21st October 2010, 13:02. Reason: Typing errors

  • #2
    I totally agree Gotno.... we must stand against this capitalist attack....
    John 3/16

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    • #3
      Hi Nick!

      Originally posted by nickcsadler View Post
      I totally agree Gotno.... we must stand against this capitalist attack....
      I would like to believe that really do agree with me, but are you humouring me also?

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      • #4
        No... I do agree... the capitalists need a reality check and they MUST be taxed fully and fairly... we are being screwed by the establishment...
        John 3/16

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        • #5
          New Zealand and Australia to be outsourced?

          Since starting this thread, I have now read that Cadbury's chocolate in New Zealand and Australia are closing their chocolate and confectionery production plants. Much of the production will be diverted to a highly mechanised production unit employing much fewer people. In their boiled sweet sector future production in China is under consideration.
          These moves are being initiated by the pressure of the stock markets who are demanding higher profit margins.

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          • #6
            Ukraine Slave Labour!

            An extract of a letter to the former Prime Minister of Great Britain Gordon Brown by a protest group against the Cadbury's Chocolate takeover. Note the reference at the end about Ukraine slave labour.

            The Cadbury factory at Somerdale in Keynsham is to be closed and all production sent to Poland

            This is a totally unique British company where 98% of all that is produced in Britain is consumed here in Britain. It was started in Britain 253 years ago and has been in Keynsham for almost 100 years. Cadbury is a hugely profitable company. Somerdale, with no financial input or help for the past 10 years still remains the most profitable of all the sites.

            Keynsham will be devastated by the move. It will rob the local economy of at least £26 million. Keynsham needs Cadburys to remain here.

            This is all being driven by an American private equity group, with Nelson Peltz at the helm, hell bent on the destruction of Somerdale, with the other sites of Chirk, Marlebrook and eventually Bourneville to meet the same tragic fate.
            N. Peltz admits openly to be only interested in his own financial gain. He also admits he has no respect whatsoever for the 281 year old British company's history, the community or the irreparable damage to our planet with the 7 million food miles a year that will be added.
            This is diabolical in an age where we, as a nation, are so terribly aware of the most awful impact this thoughtless, none caring action will make. We are meant to be one of the leading countries when it comes to caring for the planet and expect others to sit up, take notice and follow suit. This would be a total embarrassment to the Labour government.

            There is also the issue that the Polish people will not be the ones being employed in the factory. The jobs will be filled with the people from the Ukraine who will be openly exploited. This would amount to modern day slave labour.

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            • #7
              Sorry to hear about the bad news. I'm not sure what this situation is like in Britain to make the company want to move the factory or what factors are contributing to such a move.

              I know here in the U.S. specifically in the autobelt that jobs moved away because unions demanded too much and it just was no longer profitable to make cars and pay workers for what they were demanding even though the companies were still making a profit.

              I don't know if you saw the movie the social network but it was interesting what the dean had said of students going to Harvard that they encourage their students to create jobs not take jobs.

              No... I do agree... the capitalists need a reality check and they MUST be taxed fully and fairly... we are being screwed by the establishment...
              I'm sorry Nick but do you not use a computer or drive a car???

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              • #8
                not sure what you are attempting to say bm.. but clearly as you have read my posts on here one part of your question was redundant!!!
                John 3/16

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                • #9
                  Response to BM

                  You said:-
                  Sorry to hear about the bad news. I'm not sure what this situation is like in Britain to make the company want to move the factory or what factors are contributing to such a move.

                  I cannot understand why you have difficulty in understanding the reason why factories are being closed in a country like England and production moved elsewhere. If you have read the previous posts it should be self evident. British workers cannot work for the same hourly rate as a Polish, Chinese or Indian worker no matter how desperately they need a job. I'm sure that the trade unions in the USA are not arguing for a certain level of the workers pay out of sheer greed, no more than the British trade unions are. They are attempting to maintain their worker's current pay, although in many cases the workers are accepting pay freezes, or even pay cuts. However inflation continues upward, much of which caused by profit hungry capitalism that continues to pay itself higher salaries, bonuses and dividends, whilst expecting workers to produce more for less.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by nickcsadler View Post
                    not sure what you are attempting to say bm.. but clearly as you have read my posts on here one part of your question was redundant!!!
                    Yes very true indeed. The question was more along the lines of sarcasm than a legitimate question.

                    Gotno Gizmo wrote about how Capitalism's negative affects on society towards the end of his first entry of this thread and you wrote that "we must stand against the capitalist attack" and that society as a whole is being screwed by the establishment.

                    Now to my point. I asked if you used a computer or a vehicle for transportation which are by products of capitalism.

                    I just don't understand why people pick and choose.

                    Another example is after 9/11 people blaming the government for not doing more to make airport security tighter and now they are complaining about body scanners.

                    Not saying that the factory moving to a different location is not bad and I don't know all the factors in the reasons for moving the factory. Just making an observation.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gotno Gizmo View Post
                      You said:-
                      Sorry to hear about the bad news. I'm not sure what this situation is like in Britain to make the company want to move the factory or what factors are contributing to such a move.

                      I cannot understand why you have difficulty in understanding the reason why factories are being closed in a country like England and production moved elsewhere. If you have read the previous posts it should be self evident. British workers cannot work for the same hourly rate as a Polish, Chinese or Indian worker no matter how desperately they need a job. I'm sure that the trade unions in the USA are not arguing for a certain level of the workers pay out of sheer greed, no more than the British trade unions are. They are attempting to maintain their worker's current pay, although in many cases the workers are accepting pay freezes, or even pay cuts. However inflation continues upward, much of which caused by profit hungry capitalism that continues to pay itself higher salaries, bonuses and dividends, whilst expecting workers to produce more for less.

                      Well I assumed as much, but again i don't know what the unions are asking for and what the entire picture is. What is the company's goal to maintain the same price of chocolate for its customers? If thats the case than as you said if the wages the union are demanding do not allow the company to make a profit than of course they are going to move it. Its a double edged sword. Keep the workers happy or keep the customers happy. I would never believe the workers are greedy. I understand they are just trying to provide for their families.

                      Another thing is I don't live in Europe or Britain for that matter. So I believe Britain has socialized medicine. Thats a big difference compared to U.S. auto companies that have to pay each worker's health insurance.

                      Yes there is quite a bit of evidence to claim capitalism is greedy. But inflation has been constant throughout history. Usually involving an individual. so yeah you can cast blame on a system but its a person who is behind the driving seat.

                      I will also make this argument. The world now has been closer than ever since the invention of mass comunication devices such as computers and cell phones. Would you say this is just the new reality of a global marketplace? i know in my lifetime I will not get to pick and choose where I want to live. i will have to live where the job is.


                      In history I'm sure people of the Agrarian society were saying the same thing during the industrial revolution. No workers were longer needed to work the farm because of farm machinery and they had to move to big industrialized cities to work.

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                      • #12
                        The Cadbury Saga continues

                        The CEO of Kraft Foods at the time of the hostile takeover of the British Cadbury's chocolate business, that has lead to the closure of factories and several hundreds of staff losing their jobs, is Irene Rosenefeld. Mrs Rosenfeld the daughter of European Jews is reported to have earned $26,345,201 USD during 2009. Her 2010 salary (referred to as compensation) will undoubtably be much larger to reflect the added earnings awarded to her for her participation in the Cadbury's takeover.

                        Kraft owned Cadbury has closed its Kenya factory and now moved the production to South Africa

                        From web based business pages:-

                        In a low-profile restructuring that has left staff anxious, Kraft Foods, the new global owners of Cadbury, recently stopped production of chocolates in Kenya in favour of South Africa.

                        This is the biggest shake-up in at Cadbury Kenya and East Africa Ltd since US-based Kraft Foods bought its British rival that makes food beverages, chocolate, candy and gum confectionery, in a hostile takeover.

                        Kraft Foods strategy is anchored on cost-cutting and efficiency. The company has been culling non-profitable Cadbury operations globally. As part of this trend, Kraft has closed the chocolate production unit at Cadbury Kenya factory and has been importing the products from South Africa over the past five or so weeks.

                        People familiar with Cadbury's operations in Kenya say Kraft Foods' top managers toured the plant sometime in August to inspect its operations and viability. The Kraft officials ordered the closure of the chocolate line in which, according to the people, did not meet Kraft's global quality and business standards.

                        The local subsidiary has 300 employees, nearly half of them casuals. The chocolate line had two shifts of 50 casuals each, putting their number at 100.The plant has been left make only cocoa and drinking chocolate. Cadbury Kenya is said to be retraining redundant staff to be redeployed to the food drinks division, with the fate of over 100 casual employees and others in that unit uncertain.

                        Egypt - and now South Africa - is the biggest beneficiary of Kenya's manufacturing exits, getting the bulk of the contract jobs from local companies, frustrated by high cost of production and uneven business environment. The cost of power in Egypt is three times lower, helped by heavy government subsidies.

                        Global companies are starting to reconfigure their regional operations to take advantage of tariff reforms in different countries in various free trade areas, which have seen some lower-cost producing countries become regional manufacturing hubs. The companies only retain marketing and distribution functions.

                        Some local consumer household brand makers are outsourcing manufacturing services from specialist companies, a blow to Kenya because as manufacturing vanishes, so will the jobs, incomes and taxes.
                        (end of business pages extracts)

                        How long will it be before some highly paid executive will outsource you job to a cheaper cost, lower tax country?

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                        • #13
                          Not soon enough to suit me!

                          The quicker their buy out is the better I like it.


                          Retirement sucks! You never get a day off!!!

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                          • #14
                            Kraft, Nestle, they're International Tyrants

                            Nestle, another multi national corporation responsible for the aquisition and closure of chocolate factories in England has embarked on the same kind of business modus operandi as Kraft.
                            See this webpage:-
                            "Creating Shared Value" in the Dominican Republic: Outsourcing, Layoffs, Overnight closure | NestleWatch

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                            • #15
                              More about Cadbury's

                              Please see this link to the Guardian newspaper:-

                              Cadbury's secret Swiss move will cost UK exchequer millions in tax | Business | The Guardian

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