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    I am a Christian Ukrainian-Canadian man, 34 years of age. I believe in God Most High: Yahweh, his son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. For those Ukrainian women reading these words I seek to love. But only one. For my wife. To give, do and be the best I am able to, as a free man: to nurture, protect, defend and promote his future family. I do not believe in socialism or communism. I believe in the faith which promises happiness, regardless
    of money, in all seasons," Give way to one another in obedience to Christ. Wives should regard their husbands as they regard the Lord, since as Christ is the head of the Church and saves the whole body, so is the husband the head of his wife; and as the Church submits to Christ, so should wives to their husbands, in everything. Husbands should love their wives just as Christ loved the Church and sacrificed himself for her to make her holy. He made her clean by washing her in water with a form of words, so that when he took her to himself she would be glorious, with no speck or wrinkle or anything like that, but holy and faultless." Ephesians 5: 21-28 If you are a Christian Ukrainian woman in healthy youth for creating life and desires Holy marriage, please e-mail: seenew1@yahoo.com

  • #2
    You're so charming!

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    • #3
      If you are a true Christian believer... why do you advertize your beliefs so much??? I understand you should be proud of your faith, but aren't you being a bit of a hypocrit? Christians do not advertize their faith hoping to see if they can catch a mate. It is a good gimic.. but really this is wrong. If you want a wife so badly, why don't you pray to God telling Him of your intentions? I think this would work better, instead of advertizing your "faith" and quoating the bible. Anyone can quote words of the Bible.

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      • #4
        GOOD GIRL

        Good girl laryska! I am also a christian male,and would never even think of talking like that.I agree so much with what you said,and couldn't have said it better myself!Thank you.TOD.

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        • #5
          What a strange thread

          Nickolas,

          That is one strange personal ad.
          Free man who does not like socialism or communism : well, neither do I , but I do not think that I would think of it as a way of describing myself..
          As for the choice of bible quote, if I were a woman I'd run as far as possible from you as I tend to think women are equal to men and no lasting relationship can exist without that idea implemented. (but maybe I misinterpretated your quote, do tell me if I did).
          I know it took more than five hundred years for the Church to admit that even Laryska and other women had a soul, but still.

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          • #6
            I couldnt have said it better myself Don

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            • #7
              freak!

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              • #8
                I say again

                This thread is for Christian Ukrainian women only.

                Otherwise, about the Don's comment about equality:

                Equality comes from communism.
                It divides men and women
                with fear and want.

                It makes families weak and the state strong (corrupt).

                If you truly believe in equality between a man
                and a woman then, knowingly or unknowingly,
                you are already programmed with communist doctrine...

                Only the Holy Spirit unites a marriage between a man and a woman
                with love and the Wisdom that is required to make it eternal.

                If you desire a Holy marriage with a particular person,
                my only advice is please read the Bible
                with a sincere heart.

                If you would like particular scripture to read from the Bible regarding Holy marriage, I'll be glad to let you know.

                The promise of blessing for a Holy union is real and true.

                I will not make more comments in this thread, unless it's,
                I SAY AGAIN: FOR CHRISTIAN UKRAINIAN WOMEN ONLY.


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                • #9
                  Christianity is about equality of human beings

                  [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nickolas
                  [B]This thread is for Christian Ukrainian women only.

                  Otherwise, about the Don's comment about equality:

                  Equality comes from communism.
                  It divides men and women
                  with fear and want.

                  It makes families weak and the state strong (corrupt).

                  If you truly believe in equality between a man
                  and a woman then, knowingly or unknowingly,
                  you are already programmed with communist doctrine...


                  Sorry Nickolas,

                  But when you write such opinion I cannot leave it unanswered as by stating these ideas you are giving a bad image of Christianity and weapons to its ennemies.

                  "Equality comes from communism"

                  Are you really Christian ? How can you then not know that the concept of "equality" between human beings is one of the most fundamental principles of Christianity ?

                  The convention of human rights, adopted by the United Nations in 1948 also states that principle of equality; Among others the USA voted for that declaration : are the USA and the dozens of other countries who voted it communist countries ?

                  Equality makes families strong thus the state strong.
                  Equality does not creates fear between men and women, it's exactly the other way round : equality comes from respect and lack of fear between individuals.
                  Fear was was allowed the soviet regime to last so long; Ask any former USSR citizen about equality in this communist regime and you'll understand the magnitude of your error.
                  Equality can only exist in a Democratic regime.

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                  • #10
                    Use scripture please.

                    Don,

                    It's my duty to reply.

                    About a Holy marriage between a man and a woman:
                    it's all about free will and the Holy Spirit.

                    For people who are not Christian,
                    think of it as natural law.

                    Socialism, Communism, in a word, the state, denies it.
                    This ideology is, and in fact, that is all it is,
                    divides families....This is, anyway, not the point.

                    Sometimes truth is difficult to see when most of what we are taught (by the state) leads in the opposite direction...

                    Please use quotes from the Bible to support your arguement.

                    The point is that between husband and wife, it's the wife's duty to follow and obey her husband: 100%.
                    If not, for a Christian man, the word of the Lord is disgraced.

                    Goodness is denied.

                    In short, it's a wife's duty to follow her husband but centered in love, not dictatorship.

                    Here are some quotes from the Bible to suppost this truth,


                    "Give way to one another in obedience to Christ. Wives should regard their husbands as they regard the Lord,
                    since as Christ is head of the Church and saves the whole body, so is a husband the head of his wife:
                    and as the Church submits to Christ,
                    so should wives to their husbands in everything.
                    Husbands should love their wives just as Christ loves the Church and sacrificed himself for her to make her holy."
                    Ephesians 5: 21-25

                    Or, "... Wives, give way to your husbands, as you should in the Lord.
                    Husbands love your wives and treat them with gentleness." Colossians 3: 18-19

                    Or, "...they [older woman] are to be the teachers of the right behavior and show the younger woman
                    how they should love their husbands and love their children, how they are to be sensible and chaste,
                    and how to work in their homes, and be gentle and do as their husbands tell them,
                    so that the message of God is never disgraced." Titus 2: 3-5

                    These are only some timeless truths.

                    There are many more from the Bible to support
                    that the man is the head of his family.

                    As far and as long as I read the Bible Don, I can not find any support for your arguement.

                    Again, please show me some scripture from the Bible that supports your ideas about equality between a husband and wife.

                    I only ask you to do this if you really want to know what
                    the Lord's plan is for a Christian man or woman to be happily married.




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                    • #11
                      Re: Use scripture please.

                      Originally posted by Nickolas
                      Don,

                      It's my duty to reply.

                      About a Holy marriage between a man and a woman:
                      it's all about free will and the Holy Spirit.

                      For people who are not Christian,
                      think of it as natural law.

                      Socialism, Communism, in a word, the state, denies it.
                      This ideology is, and in fact, that is all it is,
                      divides families....This is, anyway, not the point.


                      Please use quotes from the Bible to support your arguement.

                      The point is that between husband and wife, it's the wife's duty to follow and obey her husband: 100%.
                      If not, for a Christian man, the word of the Lord is disgraced.
                      In short, it's a wife's duty to follow her husband but centered in love, not dictatorship.

                      Here are some quotes from the Bible to suppost this truth,


                      "Give way to one another in obedience to Christ. Wives should regard their husbands as they regard the Lord,
                      since as Christ is head of the Church and saves the whole body, so is a husband the head of his wife:
                      and as the Church submits to Christ,
                      so should wives to their husbands in everything.
                      Husbands should love their wives just as Christ loves the Church and sacrificed himself for her to make her holy."
                      Ephesians 5: 21-25

                      Or, "... Wives, give way to your husbands, as you should in the Lord.
                      Husbands love your wives and treat them with gentleness." Colossians 3: 18-19

                      Or, "...they [older woman] are to be the teachers of the right behavior and show the younger woman
                      how they should love their husbands and love their children, how they are to be sensible and chaste,
                      and how to work in their homes, and be gentle and do as their husbands tell them,
                      so that the message of God is never disgraced." Titus 2: 3-5

                      These are only some timeless truths.

                      There are many more from the Bible to support
                      that the man is the head of his family.

                      As far and as long as I read the Bible Don, I can not find any support for your arguement.

                      Again, please show me some scripture from the Bible that supports your ideas about equality between a husband and wife.

                      I only ask you to do this if you really want to know what
                      the Lord's plan is for a Christian man or woman to be happily married.




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                      • #12
                        Open up your heart

                        Originally posted by Donquichotte
                        Originally posted by Nickolas
                        Don,


                        Please use quotes from the Bible to support your arguement.

                        The point is that between husband and wife, it's the wife's duty to follow and obey her husband: 100%.
                        If not, for a Christian man, the word of the Lord is disgraced.
                        In short, it's a wife's duty to follow her husband but centered in love, not dictatorship.

                        Here are some quotes from the Bible to suppost this truth,


                        "Give way to one another in obedience to Christ. Wives should regard their husbands as they regard the Lord,
                        since as Christ is head of the Church and saves the whole body, so is a husband the head of his wife:
                        and as the Church submits to Christ,
                        so should wives to their husbands in everything.
                        Husbands should love their wives just as Christ loves the Church and sacrificed himself for her to make her holy."
                        Ephesians 5: 21-25

                        Or, "... Wives, give way to your husbands, as you should in the Lord.
                        Husbands love your wives and treat them with gentleness." Colossians 3: 18-19

                        Or, "...they [older woman] are to be the teachers of the right behavior and show the younger woman
                        how they should love their husbands and love their children, how they are to be sensible and chaste,
                        and how to work in their homes, and be gentle and do as their husbands tell them,
                        so that the message of God is never disgraced." Titus 2: 3-5

                        These are only some timeless truths.

                        There are many more from the Bible to support
                        that the man is the head of his family.

                        As far and as long as I read the Bible Don, I can not find any support for your arguement.

                        Again, please show me some scripture from the Bible that supports your ideas about equality between a husband and wife.

                        I only ask you to do this if you really want to know what
                        the Lord's plan is for a Christian man or woman to be happily married.

                        I believe I know as much as you do about the Lord's plan for christian men and women, and perhaps even more as like the Catholic Church and its servants I try not only to read the Bible but also to understand its meaning beyond words.

                        The Bible was not conceived as a whole, keep in mind it is made of different parts written at different times and not in the style of a "How to behave in 20 lessons" practical manual, but in a poetic/epic... way of writing and as such subject to interpretation, that's one of the reasons why it is unique and never became "obsolete".

                        And having said that I have not yet touch a very difficult subject, the translation into modern languages of the Bible which is a very difficult task and has led to many versions in times.
                        Timeless truths are not what you think they are, All Bibles components were written at a time when societies were ruled by men only, and to some extent this historic factor has influenced their content.
                        And even then there are texts in the Bible clear enough about men and women's equality :
                        "God created the human being after his own image; man and woman he created them". (Gn 1:27)There is no hint here of any superiority or dependance, both sexes have the same origin, and that itself is one the strongest argument against any form of "sexism".
                        The Bible also says that the creation of woman from man explains the fondamental unity and equality between human beings (Gn 2:21-23)

                        On a very personal level, my conception of love is absolutely opposite to yours :

                        "A woman's duty is to follow and obey 100 % her husband out of love and not dictatorship" are your words : I truly wonder how many women or men share your views ?

                        I know dozens of married christian women and none of them would, even less their husbands, and I am talking about italian men and women who are very serious about catholicism, not to mention an Archibishop with whom I have spoke once about that subject and who told me The Bible should be read with one's heart.
                        (it so happens that I have for many years worked for the Catholic Church and many Congregations in France and Italy as a civilan adviser on economic matters)

                        Love is nothing if it is not about reciprocity and equality, when in love one should not seek nor accept domination, unless one is more in love with himself then with the other person.

                        So Nickolas, open up your heart.

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                        • #13
                          It's about love

                          Don,

                          Again, it's my duty to respond and correct you.

                          About the men who wrote the Bible.
                          They were not just any men.
                          They men who were empowered by the Holy Spirit.
                          The Holy Father of heaven spoke and made action through these men.

                          These were men of faith.
                          Not men of the world.

                          Holy men.

                          Back to the point about marriage between a Christian man and woman.

                          Both your quotes used from the Bible are about creation.

                          Not marriage.

                          Your first quote, " God created man in the image of himself,
                          in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them." Gn 1:27

                          And, " So Yahweh God made the man fall into a deep sleep.
                          And while he slept, he took one of his ribs and enclosed it in flesh. Yahweh God built the rib he had taken from the man into a woman, and brought her to the man." Gn 2: 21-23

                          These quotes support God's creation.

                          Not God's advice for a happy marriage
                          between a man and a woman.

                          Try again.

                          Please show me where in the Old or New Testament
                          the Lord uses equality for his advice about a happy
                          marriage between a Christian man and woman.

                          I'm still waiting.

                          There is a different section, about marriage, in the Bible
                          (clearly stated in the New Testament) which explains
                          the role between man and woman, both in the Old Testament
                          and New Testament.

                          You used quotes from the Old Testament.

                          ((Don, please remember the point of this thread is
                          about Holy marriage and it's addressed to
                          UKRAINIAN CHRISTIAN WOMEN ONLY. Not men.
                          You are merely making arguments for argument's sake.))

                          All the following quotes from the Bible are in their complete form so as not to misinterpret the Lord's message.

                          So here is God's word about the RELATIONSHIP between man
                          and woman from the Old Testament, indeed it's a section dedicated to women (no political correctness here), "...
                          Sin began with a woman, and thanks to her we all must die.
                          Do not let water find a leak,
                          do not allow a spiteful woman free rein for her tongue.
                          If she will not do as you tell her,
                          get rid of her [The Mosaic Law allowed divorce].
                          Happy the husband of a really good wife;
                          the number of his days will be doubled.
                          A perfect wife is the joy of her husband,
                          he will live out the years of his life in peace.
                          A good wife is the best of portions,
                          reserved for those who fear the Lord;
                          rich or poor, they will be glad of heart,
                          cheerful of face, whatever the season."
                          Ecclesiasticus 25: 24-36 followed by
                          Ecclesiasticus 26: 1-4

                          But even this is not the point.
                          Like your creation quote, this does not address the
                          fundamental aspect of what God's advice is for a happy
                          marriage between a Christian man and woman.

                          You have not, thus far, found a quote in the Bible
                          that supports equality between man and woman
                          in MARRIAGE.

                          This is explained clearly in the New Testament.
                          Many of these quotes are already posted on this thread.

                          Specifically here is what the Lord says about
                          a happy marriage between a Christian man and woman.

                          In 1 Corinthians there is even a sub-title.

                          To help you support your own
                          argument here is the closest expression
                          of the Lord's word about equality but note
                          the word equality is never used.

                          The closest word to express equality in the Bible is love.

                          Again, please understand the following quote is about marriage, not creation.

                          The next quotes used from the New Testament
                          are about the role of husband and wife in the home.

                          Starting with and capitalized about marriage:

                          II ANSWERS TO VARIOUS QUESTIONS
                          A. MARRIAGE AND VIRGINITY

                          "Now for the questions about which you wrote.
                          Yes, it is a good thing for a man not to touch a woman;
                          but sex is always a danger, let each man have his own wife
                          and each woman her own husband. The husband must give
                          his wife what she has the right to expect, and so to the
                          wife to the husband. The wife has no rights over her own
                          body; it is the husband who has them. In the same way, the
                          husband has no rights over his body; the wife has them. Do
                          not refuse each other except by mutual consent, and then
                          only for an agreed time, to leave yourselves free for
                          prayer, then come together again in case Satan should take
                          advantage of your weakness to tempt you."
                          1 Corinthians 7: 1-5

                          The next quote specifically gives advice
                          on the role between a Christian man and woman
                          in the home, again for your benefit this next quote
                          is also sub-titled to help you better understand
                          God's plan for a happy marriage based on love.

                          In expressing his love the Lord uses "should" not "must" in explaining how the husband should be the head of his family:

                          The morals of the home

                          " Give way to one another in obedience to Christ.
                          Wives should regard their husbands as they regard the
                          Lord, since as Christ is the head of the Church and saves
                          the whole body, so is a husband the head of his wife; and
                          as the Church submits to Christ, so should wives to their
                          husbands, in everything. Husbands should love their wives
                          just as Christ loved the Church and sacrificed himself for
                          her to make her Holy. He made her clean by washing her in
                          water with a form of words, so that when he took her to
                          himself she would be glorious, with no speck or wrinkle or
                          anything like that, Holy and faultless. In the same way,
                          husbands nust love their wives as they love their own
                          bodies; for a man to love his wife is for him to love
                          himself." Ephesians 5: 21-28

                          In brief the Lord says, "To sum up; you too, each one of you, must love his wife as he loves himself; and let every wife respect her husband." Ephesians 5: 33

                          Don, if you are a Christian man there is absolutely no way
                          to misinterpret the message of the Lord regarding the morals of the home.

                          Now and finally to be most specific about the role
                          of husband and wife for the purpose of instruction
                          in the home:

                          Some specific moral instruction

                          " It is for you, then, to preach the behavior which goes with healthy doctrine. The older men should be reserved, dignified, moderate, sound in faith and love and contantancy. Similarly, the older woman should behave as though they were religious, with no scandalmongering and no habitual wine drinking-they are to be the teachers of the right behavior and show the younger women how they should
                          love their husbands and love their children, how they are to be sensible and chaste, and how to work in their homes, and be gentle and do as their husbands tell them, so that the message of God is never disgraced. In the same way, you have got to persuade the younger men to be moderate and in everything you do make yourself an example to them of working for good: when you are teaching, be an example to them in your sicerity and earnestness and in keeping all that you say so wholesome that nobody can make objections to it; and then any opponent will be at a loss, with no accusation to make against us." Titus 2: 1-8

                          Again, Don, in this message, if you are a Christian man
                          there is no possibility for misinterpretation.

                          The Lord clearly says, in love, the proper behavior for a young woman is "do as their husbands tell them" and it's for a VERY GOOD reason, " so that the message of God is never disgraced." Titus 2: 5-6

                          Again, as the Bible clearly states, the above information
                          is for moral instruction.

                          If you choose to ignore this, I think, again, you are walking in the dark.

                          Walk in the light Don.

                          It's all about love.








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                          • #14
                            Our defintion of love still differs

                            Originally posted by Nickolas
                            Don,


                            Back to the point about marriage between a Christian man and woman.

                            Both your quotes used from the Bible are about creation.

                            Not God's advice for a happy marriage
                            between a man and a woman.

                            You are merely making arguments for argument's sake.


                            You have not, thus far, found a quote in the Bible
                            that supports equality between man and woman
                            in MARRIAGE.

                            This is explained clearly in the New Testament.
                            Many of these quotes are already posted on this thread.

                            Again, please understand the following quote is about marriage, not creation.

                            The next quotes used from the New Testament
                            are about the role of husband and wife in the home.

                            Starting with and capitalized about marriage:

                            II ANSWERS TO VARIOUS QUESTIONS
                            A. MARRIAGE AND VIRGINITY

                            "Now for the questions about which you wrote.
                            Yes, it is a good thing for a man not to touch a woman;
                            but sex is always a danger, let each man have his own wife
                            and each woman her own husband. The husband must give
                            his wife what she has the right to expect, and so to the
                            wife to the husband. The wife has no rights over her own
                            body; it is the husband who has them. In the same way, the
                            husband has no rights over his body; the wife has them. Do
                            not refuse each other except by mutual consent, and then
                            only for an agreed time, to leave yourselves free for
                            prayer, then come together again in case Satan should take
                            advantage of your weakness to tempt you."
                            1 Corinthians 7: 1-5

                            The next quote specifically gives advice
                            on the role between a Christian man and woman

                            In expressing his love the Lord uses "should" not "must" in explaining how the husband should be the head of his family:

                            The morals of the home

                            " Give way to one another in obedience to Christ.
                            Wives should regard their husbands as they regard the
                            Lord, since as Christ is the head of the Church and saves
                            the whole body, so is a husband the head of his wife; and
                            as the Church submits to Christ, so should wives to their
                            husbands, in everything. Husbands should love their wives
                            just as Christ loved the Church and sacrificed himself
                            anything like that, Holy and faultless. In the same way,
                            husbands nust love their wives as they love their own
                            bodies; for a man to love his wife is for him to love
                            himself." Ephesians 5: 21-28


                            Don, if you are a Christian man there is absolutely no way
                            to misinterpret the message of the Lord regarding the morals of the home.

                            Now and finally to be most specific about the role
                            of husband and wife for the purpose of instruction
                            in the home:

                            Some specific moral instruction

                            " It is for you, then, to preach the behavior which goes with healthy doctrine. The older men should be reserved, dignified, moderate, sound in faith and love and contantancy. Similarly, the older woman should behave as though they were religious, with no scandalmongering and no habitual wine drinking-they are to be the teachers of the right behavior and show the younger women how they should
                            love their husbands and love their children, how they are to be sensible and chaste, and how to work in their homes, and be gentle and do as their husbands tell them, so that the message of God is never disgraced. In the same way, you have got to persuade the younger men to be moderate and in everything you do make yourself an example to them of working for good: when you are teaching, be an example to them in your sicerity and earnestness and in keeping all that you say so wholesome that nobody can make objections to it; and then any opponent will be at a loss, with no accusation to make against us." Titus 2: 1-8

                            Again, Don, in this message, if you are a Christian man
                            there is no possibility for misinterpretation.

                            The Lord clearly says, in love, the proper behavior for a young woman is "do as their husbands tell them" and it's for a VERY GOOD reason, " so that the message of God is never disgraced." Titus 2: 5-6


                            Walk in the light Don.

                            It's all about love.




                            First of all you are right Nickolas,
                            Where are the Ukrainian Christian Women ? Are there any on this forum ? It would be interesting to read what they have to say.

                            Second,

                            If God created men and women equal, and you seem to agree with that, than your other quotes are contradictory if not interpretated.
                            How can equal individuals be inferior one to another ? If both of them were created at his image, how can that be, whether in marriage or whatever else situation ?
                            The Bible was written over a thousand years almost by many different writers and there are more than one contradiction, as these men where also men of the world, men of their times.(I will not come back on translation problems)
                            There are no grounds to support the fact that women should obey their husbands in everything, why would the message of God be disgraced ?
                            Again the Catholic Church has changed its position on women in marriage for a long time now, and their reading of the bible is not yours.

                            There was a very interesting historical/psychological theory published a few years ago on how some religions and ancient civilisations considered women as inferior creatures, and how this phenomenon had probably its roots from men's fear of women.
                            I do not fear them and would never ask for their blind obedience, nor have all the christian friends I know who are very happily married for many years. (or their wives would have not married them in the first place...)

                            But again, let's hear some Ukrainian Christian women, does any of them agree with you ?

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                            • #15
                              TAX man

                              This thread is for:

                              CHRISTIAN UKRAINIAN WOMEN ONLY.

                              For those who have contacted me, thank you.

                              Your thoughts remain secret, and much appreciated.

                              For TAX man:

                              Mind your own business.

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