Can we talk?

[B_Ungaro]

Andrew,

You know that I have a special place in my heart for you. Still, a spade is a spade. You are saying some pretty bewildering stuff. You are saying these things based on your FAITH. Excuse me but Cicero said the following about FAITH: Faith is that quality that enables us to believe what we know to be UNTRUE.

Fifty, a Hundred, Two Hundred years from now, some of the things you are saying will be thought of as Religion Induced
Dementia. Would you not want a proper foundation for your life? All the good things you are doing have a false
pretense. What a shame.

Good luck,

Bill

[tyssian]

Originally posted by B_Ungaro
Andrew,


"He came to experince the full range of human emotions, so that he could relate to us and us to him. He came to be tempted as we are - but to resist and show us that - in theory - life can be lived to perfection - 'cause he did it!!!. His primary aim was to break the bonds of the evil in this world that leads every person to degenerate and die - both physically and spiritually. This he did by living perfectly, but then - as the 'lamb of God'- of his own free will - allowed evil man to kill him. In his death, he ACCEPTED the penalty for our sins for ever and all time. Through FAITH in this act of love and sacrifice, believers can clear their entire account with God and be seen - through Jesus - as SINLESS!!!."



Your attampted at brainwashing is what is EVIL. STOP IT. Read your own words. Shame, shame, shame.

Bill

Allo B,
I am confused as to where Andrew said that sex was or is a sin. Please point out where he said that SEX is a sin in that paragraph. Sex out of marriage is but sex is not.
About your "Jesus story"; there are over a thousand manuscripts concerning Jesus' life and his existence which is more than any other "item" in history. This tells me that if you do not believe that the account of Jesus' life then you cannot possibly believe any other historical accounts of anything. These manuscripts that I speak of, many, were written very near, chronologically speaking, to his life and death. There was even a letter, written by a prominent Jewish scholar, that said that Jesus was a man who used powers of sorcery to impress his followers and win their loyalty. This, in my mind, adds credence to his miracles because it was written by one of his enemies and did in no way discount these miracles.
As for homosexuality; it was common in Rome and Greece but it was not common to the Hebrew people. It was stigmatized by the Romans and was spoke against as a degenerate activity which was brought about by Hellenism. What this line of reasoning concerning Jesus, from you, indicates is that you are using pure and unfounded speculation to bad mouth The Christ.
With regard to Him having a sexual relationship with any of His female disciples; I ask you to present actual documentation of this. His love is for the Church NOT any one person over another. The Church is to be His bride.
You are still spewing out the same speculatory crap and calling it fact as usual. I used to be an atheist but I WOKE up. I was also an evolutionist and this was a result of brainwashing by our society and education system not the truth.

Tyssian

[andrewblow]

Hey - good to see you. Home for Christmas ?? I look forward to having you around when you have time.

Andrew

[B_Ungaro]

Greetings Tyssian,

There are as many writings about the OTHER MYTHICAL CHARACTERS who have all the BELLS and WHISTLES that the Jesus Story has. Immaculate Conception, Virgin Birth, etc, etc. Jesus Story is a copy cat production of those. Heck, there are probably more things written about a black cat as a source of bad luck. Should we start worshipping black cats, again?

No evidence to validate a JESUS person. No evidence to validate any of the stories in the BIBLE.

Should you disagree with any of the above. Please come back with some evidence. Just because you believe something, that is not enough. There are a lot of SUPERSTITIONS. Unless you have some evidence to validate your beliefs, it is also just a SUPERSTITION.

Bill

[tyssian]

Allo B.,

Originally posted by B_Ungaro
Greetings Tyssian,

There are as many writings about the OTHER MYTHICAL CHARACTERS who have all the BELLS and WHISTLES that the Jesus Story has. Immaculate Conception, Virgin Birth, etc, etc. Jesus Story is a copy cat production of those. Heck, there are probably more things written about a black cat as a source of bad luck. Should we start worshipping black cats, again?

From Tyssian:
Are these writings from people who had experience or had first hand knoweledge of what they were writing about and did they have other writings from similar types to support their information. Hmmmm.Many of the manuscripts concerning Jesus do. Don't try to compare apples with oranges. When I say manuscripts I mean credible writings not commentaries with 100% opinion (like most of your posts). Furthermore, I did not say you should worship anything. I merely told you that if you could believe anything in history that you should believe that the man and god called Jesus did exist because it has more HISTORICAL evidence than any other matter in history.



No evidence to validate a JESUS person. No evidence to validate any of the stories in the BIBLE.


From Tyssian:
You need to brush up on archeology. If anything more and more evidence is being unearthed to support Biblical accounts of history, you gnome.



Should you disagree with any of the above. Please come back with some evidence. Just because you believe something, that is not enough. There are a lot of SUPERSTITIONS. Unless you have some evidence to validate your beliefs, it is also just a SUPERSTITION.

Bill

From Tyssian:
I ask that you do the same from here on out as well. Ive seen enough of your opionated banter to last a lifetime.
I have a question for you. What is your purpose here? Is it to save people from making their own choices concerning religion? Are you the champion against those who might follow a religion? Before you or anyone else gets started, I will say that Christians or any others give their side of the story to those who would listen but they should not force it. Moreover they have a motivation for that action which is to help those WHO ARE SEEKING to escape hell but what is your motivation. What are you saving people from? Remember that this is the religious forum not the anti-religious forum.

Tyssian

To all reading: Sorry for the discordant nature of this post.

[tyssian]

I almost forgot; hello Andrew, its good to be back. I have enjoyed reading your posts. I look forward to more.

Later,
Tyssian

[andrewblow]

So that's what Cicero said!! OK- do you believe EVERYTHING you read? I suspect not - you are selective and it just so happens that this individual made a statement that fits nicely into your thought pattern and belief structure. It's a very clever statement. Trouble is - it's not true - simple as that!

I appreciate your kind thoughts towards me - and I also understand (a bit) why you cannot for the life of you understand why a so-called reasonably rational guy like me can accept the world as it is - have a loving family as you do - run a good career......and then (apparently) wreck it all by putting a NON-RATIONAL faith as the primary foundation for my life. Crazy, eh!!

The difference is that I not only believe - but know by personal experience - that there is a whole SPIRITUAL side to life and eternity. There is SO MUCH MORE that your eyes are blinded to Bill. I can't help you, except write and pray, but I fear that the defenses you have put up against the entire concept of there being a 'God', will need some huge action to break down.

Not impossible, Bill - not impossible.

Andrew