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Old 20th November 2000, 18:43
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St Hilary wrote at the time of the council of Nicea, where the Nicene Creed (the traditional definition of God) was decided:

"It is a thing equally deplorable and dangerous, that there are as many creeds as opinions among men, as many doctrines as inclinations, and as many sources of blasphemy as there are faults among us; because we make creeds arbitrarily, and explain them arbitrarily. . . . The homoousion is rejected, and received, and explained away by successive synods. . . . Every year, nay every month, we make new creeds to describe invisible mysteries. We repent of what we have done, we defend those who change their minds, we anathematize those whom we defended. We condemn either the doctrine of others in ourselves, or our own in that of others; and, reciprocally tearing one another to pieces, we have been the cause of each other's ruin."

"Since the whole argument is about words, and since the whole controversy has to do with the subject of innovation [i.e., the introduction of philosophical terms not found in the scripture], and since the occasion of the discussion is the presence of certain ambiguities, and since the dispute is about authority, and since we are quarreling about technical questions, and since our problem is to reach a consensus, and since each side is beginning to be anathema to the other, it would seem that hardly anybody belongs to Christ (or is on Christ's side) any more. We are blown about by winds of doctrine, and as we teach we only become more upset, and the more we are taught, the more we go astray."

"We avoid believing that of Christ which He told us to believe, so that we might establish a treacherous unity in the false name of peace, and we rebel with new definitions of God against what we falsely call innovations, and in the name of the Scriptures we deceitfully cite things that are not in the Scriptures: changeful, prodigal, impious, changing established things, abolishing accepted doctrine, presuming irreligious things."

St Hilary was there. He says it all.
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Old 21st November 2000, 01:22
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And I think I accept everything he says. It is a deplorable situation - but true.

There are those however, who are struggling - and succeeding - to 'stay on Christ's side' and when all is said and done - God has the final say.

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Old 21st November 2000, 15:24
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What you mean to say is that you struggle mightily to stay on the side of Paulinism, ever assisting in the continuing of the Greatest Deception in history by the First Heretic of the Church. Nice work! -THE DESTROYER-
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