Truth, Once More

[Nonson]

Jewish hatred towards Christianity
By professor Israel Shahak*
Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty in Judaism. Spitting on the cross, an especially on the Crucifix, and spitting when a Jew passes a church, havebeen obligatory from around AD 200 for pious Jews. In the past, when the danger of anti-Semitic hostility was a real one, the pious Jews were commanded by their rabbis either to spit so that the reason for doing so would be unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not actually on the cross or openly before the church. The increasing strength of the Jewish state has caused these customs to become more open again but there should be no mistake: The spitting on the cross for converts from Christianity to Judaism , organized in Kibbutz Sa'ad and financed by the Israeli government is a an act
of traditional Jewish piety. It does not seize to be barbaric, horrifying and wicked because of this! On the contrary, it is worse because it is so traditional, and much more dangerous as well, just as the renewed anti-Semitism of the Nazis was dangerous, because in part, it played on the traditional anti-Semitic past.

This barbarous attitude of contempt and hate for Christian religious symbols has grown in Israel. In the 1950s Israel issued a series of stamps representing pictures of Israeli cities. In the picture of Nazareth, there was a church and on its top a cross - almost invisible, perhaps the size of a millimeter. Nevertheless, the religious parties, supported by many on the Zionist "left" made a scandal and the stamps were quickly withdrawn and replaced by an almost identical series from which the microscopic cross was withdrawn.

Then there was the long-drawn-out battle about Christian influence in elementary arithmetic. Pious Jews object to the international plus sign for it is a cross, and it may in their opinion, influence little children to convert to Christianity. Another "explanation" holds; it would then be difficult to "educate" them to spit on the cross, if they become used to it in their arithmetic exercises. Until the early 1970s two different sets of arithmetic books were used in Israel. One for the secular schools, employing an inverted "T" sign. In the early '70's the religious fanatics "converted" the Labour Party to the great
danger of the cross in arithmetic, and from that time, in all Hebrew elementary schools and now many high schools as well) the international plus sign has beeen forbidden.

Similar development is visible in other areas of education. Teaching the New
Testament was always forbidden, but in the old time conscientious teachers of history used to circumvent the prohibition, by organizing seminars or sending the students to libraries (not the school libraries, of course). About 10 years ago there was a wave of denouncing such teachers. One in Jerualem was almost sacked, for advising her history pupils, who were studying the history of Jews in Palestine around 30-40 AD, that it would be a good thing if they would read a few chapters of the New Testament as a historical aid. She retained her post only after humbly promising not to do this again.

However in recent years, anti-Christian feelings are literally exploding in Israel (and among Israel-worshipping Jews in Diaspora too) together with the increase of the Jewish fanaticism in all other areas too.

The real enemies of truth here, as in many other aspects of the Israel reality, are the socialists, "liberals", "radicals", etc. in the USA. Imagine the reaction of the US Liberals, and of such papers as The Nation and New York Review of Books, not to speak of the New York Times if in any state whatsoever, the government financed spitting on a Star of David? But when here in Israel, the government finances the spitting on a cross, they are and will continue to be, quite silent. More than this, they helpt to finance it. United States taxpayers, who are of course mostly Christians, are finacing at least half the Israeli budget, one way or another, and therfore the spitting on the cross too.


* Professor Israel Shahak is an israeli citizen, former concentration camp inmate
during WW II, and the founder of Israel's Human Rights League. His new book
"Jewish History, Jewish Religion" about Jewish hatred and contempt toward
Gentiles, is highly recommended.

[B_Ungaro]

Greetings,

I do not have a dog in this fight. I consider all religions as myths.

On the other hand, HATE is not an exclusive domain of the JEWS. It seems to me that HATE
is a part of ALL RELIGIONS. Christians hate
Jews, Jews hate Christians. Muslims hate Hindis, Hindis hate Muslims. You can work the variations until the cows come home. ( I love this Texas talk.) Hate, hate, hate.
Enough already.

For those of you who are pissed off about all this hate, join the New And Improved Faith. It can be found under this topic.
We are the fastest growing group in the UNIVERSE. We have members on most continents.
We already outnumber the Jesus Nazis. We do not allow hate in our group.

Think about it. To those who join, I want to be first to say: Welsome Brothers and Sisters.

Good Luck.

[This message has been edited by B.Ungaro (edited 11 November 2000).]

[Nonson]

Bill, the fact that you don't wish to have a dog in this fight is not the point. Your dog is the one that more or less started the tussle. It was due to your effort to explain to the mealy-mouthed followers of Christianity that caused them to go far out on that limb and make certain statements which they lack the guts to back up. Or, as you said, fold their tents an go looking for new and safer territory. _____________________________________________ I said some time ago that you had worthwhile ideas, but that you didn't know what to do with them. So now observe what can be done with them, and how they can be used to literally destroy others. _____________________________________________ For you see, Bill, unhindered speech is like a magic wand with almost limitless power. It can be used for the good or for the evil. There are no moral restrictions placed on it other than whatman agrees is proper and profitable for all concerned. The real scary thing about this magical wand is that one doesn't need bother with facts. It works equally on the lie as on the truth. _____________________________________________ My mission is to destroy every belief the followers of Christianity ever dreamed up in their corrupted minds. In its stead I intend to place the true teachings of Jesus, the Christ, i.e., the Open Door Ministry. Not the Closed Door Ministry of the Pharisees. This is what it seems impossible to get across to them. They are the ones spreading the evil doctrines of Death, being the unwitting servants of the Devil. I wont rest until they're stopped. Peace

[andrewblow]

Now we're getting nearer to the REAL nonson!
"Who needs the truth - we can have as much fun with a lie" - or words to that effect.

You have only one life nonson - and that won't be enough.

You may frivolously attempt to destroy what you will, but genuine believers in the Lord Jesus Christ have a strength and understanding that you know absolutely NOTHING about.

....which is exactly why you spend so long on these boards slowly losing the REAL battle to those who may not be able to fight so dirty with words, but who experience the peace of knowing that they are 'children of the Living God'.

You finish off your posts on screen with 'peace'. I'm glad for you - it's the only place you can ever know it, because it's obvious to a blind horse that you don't have it in your innermost soul (or whatever you want to call it).

Come down off your mountain of arragance, leave your pride and 'look for God where He may be found'.

YOUR MISSION IS OVER: unless you want to make a COMPLETE idiot of yourself.

It's almost Sunday here.......what a good time for you to MAKE A NEW START. I can't actually help you more than you already know - but YOU KNOW who can......

I hope you come to know 'peace' in life - like FOR REAL, man.

[Nonson]

Andrew, the true Nonson is a hard-nosed realist, and it is the type of person that you cannot comprehend. I don't have time for lies simply because they wont do the job. You should know this since you have likely been a purveyor of them all your life, and it is rather obvious that they have failed to serve you in any profitable manner. _____________________________________________ Having but one life is more than sufficient to accomplish that to which I have dedicated myself, and I'm certainly not down on my knees begging for even one extra day. Such requests are those of the hypocrite. _____________________________________________ I set for myself the task of destroying the 'bastardizing' ideas being wrongly attached to the body of Christ's teachings. Those who bring this falseness upon the Holy Word have themselves been bastardized and made servants of Evil. All who believe in and practice the precepts of the Great Liar have no strength in anything. Their seeming unity is not a truthful image. It is a lie. Those who accept it as truth are entering in and becoming a part of that lie. _____________________________________________ Andrew, I have never fought a losing battle. This one will not be the first. For I know the true intrepretation of the Scriptures, and understand how to apply them in such a way that makes failure an impossibility. Now he is surely boasting, or is insane you'll say. But I say I lie not, and have nought to gain by lying. The complete truth is that I am able to make the secrets of the Scriptures come to life to a degree that is scary, and has in the past frightened people. Truth. The Bible is an Instruction Manual on the Useage of Power granted to believers by the Living G-d. He, the Living G-d has not left His children comfortless. _____________________________________________ I have found absolute 'rest' as only is found in the Holy Spirit. From this lofty mountain I shall never retreat. It is not in or out of arrogance that I occupy this peak. It is of a union with my G-d. No, it comes not of that which is written but of that which is experienced daily. _____________________________________________ Somehow you have convinced yourself that the 'nasty game of words' is merely for my benefit. How characteristic is this of those who are too caught up in their own miserably tight reality to understand that the Love I know as a Gift of G-d is also wholly liberating, and no hidebound little hole in the material or physical world can ever again have control over me. _____________________________________________ Andrew, it is an inner feeling I have that this, your latest post, is addressed more to you to serve your own interests than to me and to serve my interests. Truely, I don't need it in that my interests is that in which my G-d is eternally interested, i.e., the redeeming of the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. I try to do it in the way that Jesus the Christ carried out His mission; through an open door ministry, wherein nothing is hid from the deserving eye. Do you light a candle only to hide it under a basket? _____________________________________________ It is you, Andrew, who is needful of a rebirth (possible only through a baptism of Repentance for the Remission of Sins). Peace

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[Nonson]

Adam and Eve were prepared by G-d to be Bearers of the Holy Spirit, a physical manifestation of Himself upon earth so that they might take charge of animals in human form. _____________________________________________ Eve was seduced by one of the animals (Serpent=Evil) and did seduce Adam into the act of physical lust. _____________________________________________ G-d condemned them for their sins and clothed them in animal skins (the skin which we now wear). Our skin is the sign of the Fall of Man. _____________________________________________ Cain and Abel, the first two children of Man Fallen from Bearers of the Visible G-dhead, were issues of lusts. Abel had to die in that he sought to return to the original state of his parents. Cain went forth into the land round bout Eden and mated with another animal in human form. And, of course, the myth (?) continues. Peace

[andrewblow]

Nonson - whilst I cannot agree with all you say - or with many of your points of view - I believe you have put more of the 'real Nonson' in your post of 11th than possible everything you have written before.

Is it remotely possible that you could concede that - in as much as you state you have found peace, rest and an understanding of truth in 'your G-d', that I -in a way maybe different to you in as many ways as you want to state or acknowledge - that I also have found peace, fulfillment and one-ness with MY God ??

Or are you going to claim sole rights to this most precious experience ?