Myth and Religion

[Nonson]

Ungaro; lets try the inquiry here. _____________________________________________ The 'strictus interpretari' is not myself. When it comes to meaning formation based on the present reformulated Scriptures, I damn near disagree with all of it. In that I do have an intensive educational background in the subject, I feel justified in offering a few tidbits of personal views. _____________________________________________ Fact. The overwhelming majority of people who post on religious boards have no idea of what they are talking about. Further, it appears that far too many of them never graduated from a school that taught reading, writing, etc. Of the ones who are able to manage doing so most don't want to think and/or don't really give a damn about the subject. Then there are the 'flammers, the beserkers, and the friendly trolls'. How is one to conduct an informative discussion with all that sh*t hitting the screen? _____________________________________________ You, Ungaro, flame, beserk, and troll. Indoing so, you put yourself in the catagory of the idiots, and you a grandfather. Where is the dignity, and what is the purpose? Who can take you to be a serious person when you constantly present the image of being a loose cannon? That is not really the way to get one's message across. _____________________________________________ The hell of it, Ungaro, is that you have some good ideas. You just don't know what in the hell to do with them. Peace

[B_Ungaro]

Greetings Nonson,

I take that as a compliment. Yep, I was always an IDEAS person. I put that with hard work and luck and BINGO, here I am. Education was something that I had get on the side. Since age 17 I have been hard at work, paying bills, staying out of trouble, and getting educated as best as I could. I could have used a more comfortable way of getting to where I am, but you know what,
it was OK, I am happy as a LARK.

We all have our areas of weakness. I will not educate you on yours. Self discovery of these things is the only best way to go.

Good Luck

[Nonson]

At the second book of Enoh it says that Sophoneim (sister of Noah) the wife of Nir, conceived a son without sleeping with her husband. The name of the child was Malhisedec. I suppose that is from where Christians borrowed the idea of Jesus immaculate conception.


My speculation is that Mary had no idea that she was pregnant. We know from the bible that she was around 13 and a girl of that age in those times probably had no idea of the procedure of reproduction. She could also had been raped and ashamed to speak about it. But why was Joseph covering her up? Why did he take the responsibility of a child that wasn't his? (Joseph was around 80, he could never have had a child at that age).


Either someone forced him to, or it wasn't Marie the one he was covering up. My belief is that Sanhendrin (the Jewish clergy) forced him to marry Mary because she got pregnant inside the convent. What a great scandal would it have been if a little girl got pregnant inside the place her parents trusted her to be safe. As for the name of the father, I'm afraid Mary took the secret to her grave.


Other scholars believe that Jesus was the first born son of Judas of Gamalah (a rebellion and zealot) and that makes him the grandson of Ezekiah of Gamalah (see page "EZEKIAH AND JUDAS OF GAMALAH"). Probably we will never know. That could also explain his involvement to the zealots movement, as well as his leadership there. After all we know that Jesus could not have been the son of a poor family. How could a person of royal blood be poor? (see page "THE CONSPIRACY BEHIND THE MESSIAH"). Through out the Christian tradition we hear the story of Jesus▓ mantle. A cloth made of expensive fabric and of deep red color. Both the Roman and the Jewish law made very clear that expensive fabrics, especially ones died deep red, could be worn only by superior citizens, such as military officers or aristocrats. A poor person not only wouldn▓t afford a mantle, such as the one Jesus was wearing, but he would also be prevented by law to wear such a cloth!


Here I must add that Herod never slaughtered the male children of the Jewish. History tells us that Herod was a very good leader for Israel after all he was the one who rebuilt them the Solomon's temple in 20BC. What the bible describes as the slaughter of children, was simply the "Revolution of Census". Probably the copiers of bible during the 4th century had mixed historical facts
_____________________________________________ Its time to clearify your thinking processes, Mr. Ungaro.

[B_Ungaro]

Greetings Nonson,

You are great with words. There is something wrong with what you are saying, though.

You seem to believe in God, Creation and Evolution. What came first? Is God a creation
of Evolution?

You seem to base your faith on some parts of the Bible. Other parts you do not believe.
While I respect your views, I can not be convinced on any information from the BIBLE.
To me the BIBLE is just a GREAT BOOK, that should be on the NEW TIMES Best Seller List
for ever.

Sorry,

Good Luck.

[Nonson]

Originally posted by B.Ungaro:
Greetings Nonson,

You are great with words. There is something wrong with what you are saying, though.

You seem to believe in God, Creation and Evolution. What came first? Is God a creation
of Evolution?

You seem to base your faith on some parts of the Bible. Other parts you do not believe.
While I respect your views, I can not be convinced on any information from the BIBLE.
To me the BIBLE is just a GREAT BOOK, that should be on the NEW TIMES Best Seller List
for ever.

Sorry,

Good Luck.

_____________________________________________ Ungaro, you missed the point of my latest post, here and on Russ.com. They are not given as a description or an explanation of my religious beliefs. If that were the case, it would be a wasted attempt in that I lay no claim of authorship of the ideas. My own are far more damaging to the edifices of Christianity. The postings are to show you that you lack the tools necessary to take on the Christians, Judaists, and Islamicists. Any of them having a fair schooling in their respective religious beliefs can easily counter your unsupported assertions regarding their institutions. Up to this point I have been more or less playing with you and your claims. The game is losing interest for me to the degree that I've decided to raise the stakes, so to say. It is now time to demonstrate to you where it is exactly that you are in error. It is where you attack religion from the outside, your greatest salvos having absolutely no effect on the fortresses, instead of attacking from the inside where each small foray can produce devastating results. What I've post above and on Russia.com are but two of thousands of pieces (ammo) of literature of that nature in my archives. Afterall, I've had more than forty years to collect and to study the better offerings. What I presented is but run-of-the-mill stuff. The really hi-tech works are of too great a quality to paste on a forum. Reconsider your thinking processes, Mr. Ungaro. Peace

[B_Ungaro]

Greetings Nonson,

I appreciate your answer. Well, even if you were correct in your assertions about me and my abilities, that would still leave your views as a target.

It is obvious that you are a learned person. I take your views very seriously, much more that the views of some BIBLE thumping rednecks. You have adopted a view that you have the perfect FAITH. All other faiths are imperfect. This is where I think that you are conflicted. In my view all religions that believe in the Supernatural Being are
imperfect. They are just continuations of
MYTHS that have been around for ages.

My concerns with these faiths is that they
develop such a dependency in the inflicted
people that they are willing to KILL and DIE
for their faith. Just look around you. Further, all this will one day be proven as mere MYTH. We are well on the way to this
destination.

So, that is where I am coming from. I am not
anti Christian, I am for real concepts. Not for SUPERSTITIONS.

Good Luck.

[andrewblow]

You two guys make for great reading !
I respect you both in different ways for both intellegence and sincerity, but honestly - from where I stand - you are both like giant hippos, fighting over a mudpool that to YOU is your entire world. One wants to explain away the world's greatest selling book and it's contents using comparisons that don't compare, whilst the other dismisses it as 'myths'.

But what if I said..."I know the author" ??
What if I could totally verify every single sentence and meaning contained in this book? What if - by some vast measure of revelation - I could prove that what we have in our hands and on our dusty bookshelves actually is THE GOD-BREATHED REVELATION OF THE CREATER TO HIS UNIVERSE - AND US ?

Well - as you know - I can't prove anything. However - just one phrase is true. Just one claim is simple and positive. Whether you believe me or not does not matter in the overall scheme of things, but

I KNOW THE AUTHOR....and He does not lie, deceive, or move the goalposts. My humble statement stands entirely on my personal experience of life whereby I have taken God at His word - and found in Him love and truth and holiness. I cannot claim to understand Him in all respects, but what I do know checks out - and what I don't know - He gives me faith to accept - and that results in a peace that is 'out-of-this-world

You hyper-intellengent guys can fight with words all you like, but unless you have a relationship that allows you to call Him 'Abba, Father, DADDY', then you are chasing fireflies and always will be.
ANDREW