Can we talk?

[B_Ungaro]

Greetings,

Please do not consider this as an endorsement of the Jesus Story of the Bible. Still, I want to know how the faithful rationalize certain things. I am open to learn new stuff.

Help me with this please. The Bible is not very clear about the sexuality of Jesus. As far as we know, he was Thirty
Something, right? Did he have any wives? Did he have any children? What about girlfriends? Is it true that Mary Magdelene and Jesus were a couple? What about boyfriends?
Homoxesuality was widely practiced in those days, and it did not have the stigma that it has today. He had to be sexually active, somehow.

We are told of all the miracles that he performed. I just find it hard to understand that there are no love stories
(romantic type) about Jesus. I think I write some.

Ok folks, explain this subject to me.

Bill

[andrewblow]

Bill - Thanks for opening up a highly controversial subject.

However >

Unless there are exceptional circumstances, this will be my only reply in this thread. Others may discuss...please feel free - but for me, the answer is so clear cut, I will make a statement only.

JESUS CHRIST was like no other person that has ever - or will ever live on this earth. He was conceived between God and mankind and was therefore 100% God and 100% man combined and came here of his own accord and with the Father's blessing to carry out a task no other could do.

He came to experince the full range of human emotions, so that he could relate to us and us to him. He came to be tempted as we are - but to resist and show us that - in theory - life can be lived to perfection - 'cause he did it!!!. His primary aim was to break the bonds of the evil in this world that leads every person to degenerate and die - both physically and spiritually. This he did by living perfectly, but then - as the 'lamb of God'- of his own free will - allowed evil man to kill him. In his death, he ACCEPTED the penalty for our sins for ever and all time. Through FAITH in this act of love and sacrifice, believers can clear their entire account with God and be seen - through Jesus - as SINLESS!!!.

This entire scenario had been planned and prophesied since early times. God does not desire that "Any should perish" (eternally) - but the question arises - how does man overcome spiritual death?

Answer:> By someone going before us who can show the power, the ability - THE WAY!

After his death, Christ visited hell and proclaimed his victory over it. He then - in the real world - rose from the grave and was seen by hundreds at different times - things recorded in secular history. After 40 days setting up the basics of the future church, he arose from amoung the group of his disciples and friends and returned to his Father - JOB DONE.

Jesus Christ's job was to be 'all man' - but not to have children. He gave love and received love - but did not become romantically involved with anyone. He was 'all man', but WAS NOT SEXUALLY ACTIVE - the job description did not require it. He had hoards of female admirers - some very close friends - but to have become sexually active would have shown a partiality to one that was totally inconsistent with his work as 'The Saviour of the WORLD'.

I trust that I have made my point and position clear.
Regards to all.

Andrew

[B_Ungaro]

Andrew,

Wow, you seem to be more detached than I thought. Please keep in mind that I consider the whole Jesus story as a copy cat myth from Greek-Roman Myhtology.

Using your rationale, SEX is a SIN. A SEXUALLY ACTIVE PERSON IS NOT PURE. Yet we are called the creations of GOD.
Why was SEX built into our being? Your concept makes it
a cruel, tortureous act on the part of GOD.

The fact is that things just don't compute. Faith is no excuse. The whole concept of Immaculate Conception, Virgin Birth and all the other Bells and Whistles that make up the
Jesus Story are a HOAX.

The SEXUALITY issue was broached merely to point to another
area where things do not compute. According to the BIBLE, Jesus was in the constant company of other man, lot's of them. Other stories make him a couple with a concubine.

No consistancy, no uniformity, no validity. All other historical persons have evidence to validate their being.
You folks offer the BIBLE and your FAITH as evidence. We fight each other based on this so called evidence. We kill each other over our differences on this subject. I consider this on the part of the believers a CRIME against humanity.
Your SUPERSTITIONS are not any different from the ones that we ridicule as STUPIDITY. Time will render yours the same.
In the meantime we are killing each other because of it.
STOP IT PLEASE.

Bill

[andrewblow]

I will clarify one aspect.

At no time and in no way have I tried to state that sex is a sin. You are perfectly correct that sex is an integral part of us - given to us by our Creator - and probably the most powerful emotion second only to survival. My comment about being 'sinless' was nothing to do with sex - but a comment on life.

Please don't try and make the bible say what it doesn't and don't add your own personal implications and innuendos just to fit your personal lack of belief and understanding.

"Stop it"? - Bill > you started it - now sit down and listen!

Andrew

[B_Ungaro]

Andrew,

I have never used cut and paste on this board before. This time I must. I have to use your own words to show how confused and detached from reality you are. The following are your words Bud:

"He came to experince the full range of human emotions, so that he could relate to us and us to him. He came to be tempted as we are - but to resist and show us that - in theory - life can be lived to perfection - 'cause he did it!!!. His primary aim was to break the bonds of the evil in this world that leads every person to degenerate and die - both physically and spiritually. This he did by living perfectly, but then - as the 'lamb of God'- of his own free will - allowed evil man to kill him. In his death, he ACCEPTED the penalty for our sins for ever and all time. Through FAITH in this act of love and sacrifice, believers can clear their entire account with God and be seen - through Jesus - as SINLESS!!!."

Those words could be straight out of the Ober Amergau
"Passion Play." Ancient Dogmas for sure. You speak of live lived to perfection, based on a fairy tale. Sinless life by resisting the temptation for SEX. You speak of EVIL.

Your attampted at brainwashing is what is EVIL. STOP IT. Read your own words. Shame, shame, shame.

Bill

[B_Ungaro]

Andrew,

I just read on one of the other boards that in a place near Kiew, two children and their grandmother starved to death as part of some religious ritual.

I wonder if they might not have been under the spell of some missionary from yhe USA or ENGLAND.

Bill

[andrewblow]

I agreed to join you on this thread in good faith - because you asked me to. It is open to all - but I appear to be alone in answering. That does not surprise me and I do not have judgemental attitude to others - it is a very difficult and controversial subject.

However - I was fully aware that this thread would be a platform for you to berate other's faiths and beliefs and I entered with my eyes open. I covered this ground by my opening comment on 'Statement - not discussion'.

The thread has gone exactly the way I felt it would, so - having MADE MY STATEMENT OF BELIEF and then clarified outstanding queries, I will now leave it to others - or indeed to die. If I find value in re-joining, I reserve the right to do so, but I am not going to be fodder for your atheistic cannon.

Bill - I have other mates like you. I work with them - have a drink with them and (as with you) don't 'blame them' for their complete lack of understanding or acceptance of "FAITH" in any shape, form, colour or creed. They have as much right to their opinions as do I.

On the other hand, I don't sit back and have crap thrown at me just for the fun of it - we have too much personal respect for that.

So I will let this one go. I have made my case - as you asked. Take it or leave it. I trust other members will read what I say, making no additions or subtractions - and come to their own conclusions and/or decisions.

My regards to all,
Andrew