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Old 22nd May 2000, 13:18
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Brother GjesusM,

Thankyou ! I don't have hundreds of links - just God's Word and my complete and undying faith in it. Unfortunately I don't have hours to argue either and (for the first time ever on these boards) I found simple frustration creeping in and the absolutely last thing I want to do is say anything that brings disrespect to my Heavenly Father. I'll let Mohammad have the floor (whichever way up he wants to be) - I know God loves him.
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Old 22nd May 2000, 15:39
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I love being dumped by massive waves; tumbling under the current - so that analogy doesn't mean what I expect you hoped it did.

I know you won't change your views and I suspect the Muslim guy can't either.

So what else is new!

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Old 22nd May 2000, 15:49
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I do realise Bills point could be expanded to say alot more and be more inclusive, but I like it.

In your imagination anything is possible and something that is imaginable is possible. History has proven that bit by bit.

That way all the concepts you speak of are realisable. It is all out there.

God is big!!!
And as much as we can accept God = the size we are - compariably, of course.
And physical things dwindle into insignificance.

That's all for now - I am coming back to reality on my next post if anybody cares to discuss truisms with open minds

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Old 23rd May 2000, 05:38
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Phillip - thanks generally.
Regarding the waves - you are inevitably a stronger swimmer than me, but the first one bent me backwards within the curl and the second smashed me down onto the sand virtically on my head - an altogether painful experience for which I didn't have the understanding to cope !

Thankfully - in life - my feet are firmly planted on the ground and my citizenship is in heaven.
KIND REGARDS,
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Old 23rd May 2000, 15:10
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Well yeah,

guess so,

hmmmm,

hm
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Old 23rd May 2000, 15:32
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I grew up with the waves - when I was only 2 foot tall I could be seen bobbing up and down, like a little brown sea creature under a wave (to the amusement of my bro's and sisters); finding out how long I could go without breathing

Then I'd catch my breath and find another big one to take on. Later in life it's called boddy surfing. (When your big enough to get past the breakers)

I have been hit by really big ones, and one nearly killed me - I was 20 feet under thoroughly dumped and with a T'shirt over my head trying to swim to the surface while my leg was being dragged by a surfboard which was being dragged by a succession of 20 feet waves.

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Old 23rd May 2000, 20:28
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Peace be upon you all. I don't know if it is too late to reply to the subject of womens clothing in Islam but I hope none of you will mind. I believe that the clothing does not matter as long as it makes the woman humble and modest. Personally, I belief that there is more important things that connect me with
Allah than the clothing I wear. In Islam the most important thing is not the action but the intention. Let's not kid each other, because Im a girl myself, if a girl dresses sexy, showing off her nice or maybe not so nice body, the only intention she will have is to get attention from men. Do not believe girls that say they just want to look good for themselves, that is impossible for one simple fact that they do not live by themselves, they follow the rules of a sex-crazed society. Can you imagine a young lady in the 1930's wearing a bra and dazy dukes???????? I cannot!!!! The problem is that women think they gained their freedom by burning their bras, but what they really gained is losing their virginity at the age of-I believe 13 nowdays, bunch of horny guys grabbing them and drulling over them. And you call this freedom?!! Yep, I guess you are right, freedom of STDs is very popular right now, single mothers on welfare are "in" as well. All of my friends have lost their virginity at an early age and so far I have not heard even one person mention to me that it was a good thing. All of them regret falling in love or should I say falling into the paws of male hormones. So please tell me,
that the so called, sexual revolution, brought more into this world than single mothers, divorces, fatherless children and STDs. I wish women learned how to use their freedom to gain education, not men. At least
few decades ago one could find a "real woman"
educated, humble, mannered and proud of their knowledge not their plastic surgeries. Some think you're giving women freedom, I think you are opressing them. America represents an image no female could compete with and you wonder why America is the only country with diseases such as bolimia and anorexia.

One more thing I want to mention about the hijab(the head_cover for women in islam). I do not wear hijab because for me being muslim means more than just covering my hair. I know that my intentions are pure and so I am confident in my actions as a muslimah. Maybe a lot of this has to do with the culture I grew up in and my personal beliefs. Sometimes I wish I was born in a muslim country so it would be in my blood to cover my hair, however I consider my clothing to be modest and humble and so for me it is my islamic wear. I do not walk around showing off my nice figure, cleavage or my "nice long legs" because it is not my intention. I admit it used to be, I was trying to impress someone else and for what?? Through Islam I found out that life is not about impressing but about living. Some women will be amazed how wonderful it is to wake up one day and know that you are doing something good in your life....that your life involves more than constantly looking at yourself in the mirror, fixing make_up, shortening your skirt, getting that really expenssive hair-cut or getting your nails done, or try to remember which pair of jeans don't make me look fat. Look at the inner-mirror, your soul, you'll find that this is the real beauty, the real gift from Allah.
One more thing I want to mention before I go,
those of you who read the Bible or the New Testament will know that there is a part which talks about women covering their hair. So it came even before Islam. Islam is not a set of new rules, it is a completion of the message preached to us by such prophets as Abraham(PBUH)and Jesus(PBUH).


I guess this is all I had to say for now, if you have any questions I'll be happy to reply.
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