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Old 19th May 2000, 00:00
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Phillip,

when you were making your point about how a woman should dress, wonder if a woman was created for men to watch and admire. A woman can share your body with her husband, there is no need for her to show it to other men, because that will only cause a desire in men to seek to have her body, and this is wrong, why is it wrong? the answer is:
If you see every beautiful woman outside and you want to have sex with her, and you succeded to have sex with her. How many women will you end up having sex with? How many poor children will be born with unknown fathers, maybe some of the fathers desappear and don't won't to have anything to do with the baby? What is the destiny of these women left behind and what is the destiny behind these babies born and not knowing their dadies. We have seen these cases everyday...This problem doesn't exist in muslim countries.
There are rules to follow in this life in order to make everyone happy. These rules were not made by me or by you or by the prophet Muhammad (PBUH). These rules were created by (the one only God) = Allah.
Can't the world learn from mistakes? how much more mess will we make before we realize that we didn't follow the rules and how much more will it take us to know the truth.
People object Qur'an because it is in Arabic, they object it because an Arab claimed to be the messenger of Allah. I bet you anything if it was an english man who claimed it, everyone would jump with their hands and feet to know it and accept it.
It is enough for me to say that miracles that Qur'an contain scare me to the point that I don't question it as Allah's words.
May Allah guide you all
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Old 19th May 2000, 09:20
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Muhammad

Your answer to Phillip surprised me a lot. Are you actually saying that if a man gets aroused watching a woman and then behaves improperly this is the womans problem to deal with?

I find this absurd, if that man can not control himself he should not be out in public at all.

Blaming women for men´s shortcomings is ridiculous.

Thomas
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Old 19th May 2000, 12:26
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Weidist,

I never said women are blamed.
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/l...-say/ch15.html

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Old 19th May 2000, 23:34
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Dear Muhammad,

.....and you have not replied to my scriptural proof that Christ was crucified either. You are a moral person and I do not think you would discredit the Bible narrative on such a fundamental issue as this, but I think my post deserves an answer, in between the discussions about women's clothing styles - important though that is.

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Old 20th May 2000, 08:23
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Andrew,

You question about woman clothing:
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/l...-say/ch15.html

Here a link you should consider:
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/l...ch1.2.2.8.html

Muhammad
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Old 20th May 2000, 15:13
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Dear Muhammad,
NO - I'm not questioning women's clothing - that is simply part religious, part culture, oart climate, etc., and to my mind important, but not (shall we say) 'life threatening'.

I am questioning the fundamental question that you yourself posted about the crucifiction of Christ. You are asking the members of this board to agree to contradict the clear statements of fact in the Bible concerning this subject. I sincerely believe that you are wrong here and -as you have been quoting other biblical texts (ie: you believe in the validity of scripture)- I want you to show yourself as the moral person I trust you are - and admit that you have been wrong.

I will accept that I do not know what it will mean to you - as a believer in Islam - to acknowledge that Jesus Christ was crucified, but that might be something you would like to help me with.
ANDREW
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Old 20th May 2000, 16:47
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Andrew,

If you have the patience to read through this site, you will come to a conclusion that Jesus was not Crucified.
Once you read it and you don't agree with it, then we will see what's not clear.

Remember the Gentleman who spoke in it, knew all scriptures by heart. So please read carefully:
http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-20479/Debate.htm

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Muhammad



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