God on the Brain

[fedorowich]

Originally Posted by Zbyszek

Still, Fedorovich, you can’t abandon your overt demands, demands. You are probably not able to beg, your ethical code would despise it as abominable humiliation. You only can claim like a passenger claims his luggage after setting his foot on a solid ground.
For Him, a life of an old, decrepit man is of the same very value as of this little suffering child. The more so, it is as valuable as a life of an unborn. Not for you, because you discriminate. For me, it is close to racism.

not an abominalbe humiliation, but if there is nothing in return, what is the whole point. If I'm going to beg, I'd like something in return. If I discriminate, than all of Canada does. It is apparent here that the order of importance is child, women, men.

[fedorowich]

Originally Posted by bm-21Lemko

If you know it is coming how is it a miracle? Thats more of a wish is granted from a genie. "belittle followers, demean people of who are in trouble, and irritate the intelligent." hahaha Man its not a cult.



No, if you could get whatever you wanted when you wanted that is not believing those are wishes. We have unlimited wants and little resources. 1. It would be greedy to get what we wanted all the time. 2. He is not a genie that grants wishes at our disposal.

Have you ever prayed and asked God? He is not UPS you can't ask for two day shipping, it might take some time but he eventually answers your question.

Nothing i say here will change that persons status of living or dead you have to believe in order to know that they are safe. If you believe you know it was time for that person to leave and pain and suffering are over. We as humans do not have an immortal life and eventually die, just like other animals. We become attached to the things and people we love, but unfortunantly time does not stand still, but continues on.

It's very close to cult status. But you know that god is doing these things, so its not a miracle anyway. So its not right for god to save a dieing innocent child because than he might make people think that he will grant them wishes? But he will answer your questions. So in this case, you would get a big fat No from God. How is it fair that he saves somebody else's baby, but not my child? Oh wait that is too greedy and selfish. Yes I have prayed and there was never an answer. I was a christian throughout my childhood and teens. I went to church every sunday, went to a catholic elementry school, and for 4 years went to sunday school. Now, if you must label me, I am a freethinker.

[fedorowich]

Originally Posted by StormAU

You use one line from a quote that was in response to something else and are asking questions or making statements with a question mark. Mate read it all again and maybe you'll figure out your own answer.
-Yup, still don't get it. If you don't want to explain yourself just say that.

I have already said what I want to say, I didn't have to try to say it either, if you cant figure it out may I suggest you take the scientific approach and read it all again repeatedly.
-Yup, still don't get it. If you don't want to explain yourself just say that.

Here's another one who says what I know, get a grip mate and stop telling people what they "know" and read what they are writing. The 2 groups of scientist mentioned above are within mainstream science, if their peers acknowledge them as scientist what right do you have to say they aren't. Science gets twisted by everyone so don't blame a few for that, you just have a problem with anyone who calls themselves a Christian.
-I have no problem with Christians. It just strikes me odd when they get angry when you question them about their beliefs. If by peers, you mean "scienctists that are religion oriented" than ya, then ya they agree. Please show the science behind intelligent design and creationism. Is that science or religion oriented?

There is no flaw in my argument, the issue here is you inability to understand what I am saying, yet again I might add. They don't have to prove everything else but gee it would be good if they could give some good evidence to back up their claims for at least one thing. What proof is there for the Big Bang? none, what proof is there that we are evolved from a common ancestor to everything else on this planet? none. The only thing they have is theories, and before you claim again that a theory is not someone s idea then may I point you to the fact that if someone doesn't have an idea based on their preliminary observations then they ain't gonna have a theory.
-Yup, I don't understand what you are saying. It seems like a trend. Are you saying that there is no evidence for Big Bang or evolution. Well i did some hard proof looking for you. I goggled proof of Big Bang. I got national geographic and NASA proving some aspect of Big Bang theory. Hard to find that. Oh but wait, NASA and national Geographic aren't reputable right? It just shows the ignorance behind saying that there is no proof for this. If there were no preliminary observations, then how can some aspect just be proven.

We have no idea of how old our planet is, science is incapable of giving us a definitive number. Considering everything that has lived is carbon based, and the things that have not lived are based on elements found in the periodic table and ALL of these things can be dated the we should have a definitive date. Your total lack of understanding of the elements and how they pertain to this matter is astounding.

-lack of understanding you say. Then you should know that carbon dating is way out of date and potassium argon is used to date the earth. Please read up on it. We do know the around age of the earth. It is not only 6000 years old or whatever genesis says. 4.... billion years. If you would like a Definitive number, please feel free to date something that old and get a definitive number without room for error. Better yet, lets create a small universe show we can PROVE to you the big bang. Again, is it 100% correct, No. Will it ever be? probably not. Astounding isn't it.
my points are inside using the -approach.
my bad, not the easiest to read

[bm-21Lemko]

Originally Posted by fedorowich

I was a christian throughout my childhood and teens. I went to church every sunday, went to a catholic elementry school, and for 4 years went to sunday school. Now, if you must label me, I am a freethinker.

Good for you and so have i probably not as long as you though. I too am an observer.

How is it fair that he saves somebody else's baby, but not my child? Oh wait that is too greedy and selfish.

True bad things happen to good people. I would not call that greed or being selfish. You care, but some things are not for us to decide. You must have learned in church that you must love God more than your parents. That was a hard concept to grasp for me, how could you love someone more than your parents?

But you know that god is doing these things, so its not a miracle anyway.

Its a miracle only when it could have not occurred by natural events.

Yes I have prayed and there was never an answer.

You told me here it was no. Unfortunantly sometimes it is no. If you believe you know that child is in a better place where harm can not come. You are not the only one who has lost someone they have loved.

[fedorowich]

[quote=StormAU;92218]Lol, your telling me not to label you as delusional yet below you label me as such. Your a hypocrite if you think you can do something and not have others return your actions to you.
-If you didn't notice, that dragon thing was showing you how odd it sounds to change the word god to dragon. Sure call me delusional, I don't really care. Our perceptions of the word differ.

I have never asked anyone to create anything for me, I know you can't cause your not God and you don't have the ability to do such a thing.
-So you've never asked someone to create a sandwich for you. Come on. I know I'm not "GOD," whats your point here?

Theories are ideas, as already pointed out above. Your flawed knowledge of the scientific process is amazing. Lets say for an example, I go out with some friends I have led a really sheltered life and know nothing of alcohol yet I know my friends very well. We go out my friends have a drink after a while their behaviour changes and all they have had is a drink. It wouldn't take Einstein to think to himself that maybe the drink is what has caused the change in behaviour. Parents around the world see similar thing with their kids every day and instinctively they have an idea that something is not right, they have a theory that something has caused a change. These people are not scientist, they have not carried out tests on their kids to come up with a theory that something is wrong, so your assertion that a theory is something that comes up after a myriad of tests a re carried out is simply incorrect.
-lol, see but you have based your judgment on a myriad of tests. You have noticed and compared the reactions of this individual you know to the sudden change in him. You know his day to day activity and personality. Now that it has changed, you see a difference. Those may not seem like tests as in tests that you write in school, but they are repeated tests. They are also repeated occurances that u based your judgment on. Now that something has changed, you base a theory on the past proof. Now mind you scientific theories have much more to them but you get the idea. Nice, thanks for proving my point.

I never said God wins by default in any discussion, what I am saying is science is unable to prove anything either way. You ask me to read up, I'm telling you to read up cause you are showing you have no idea about the theories you are defending and that my dear man is a problem especially when you are attacking something that others are able to discuss in an adult fashion.
-Ok, so if science doesn't prove anything, then what does? You didn't say God wins by default, but you don't have to say it. It is already shown by your belief. Example. Science can't prove everything on how the earth was made. Therefore what does. You obviously say God did. What randomly cured this baby of a disease? Science can't explain it. Therefore what does? Well God did it. What created the universe? Well science can't fully explain it. Therefore what did, well God did. See a trend forming. By you I don't necessarily mean you, I am basing it on your religion. Please don't take my "you" comments to offense for I am not basing this solely on you yourself. Although if you are a christian, then it is easier to say you, then christian all the time.

Lol, Christians don't agree with each other, yet Atheist say look at them they cant even agree. By your own way of thinking Christianity should be great to, do you see the flaw in your own thought processes here?
-No, this does not match the previous point. By sciencists not agreeing with each other, they are providing proof to there observations. Christanity can't do that. It is laid in the bible as truth and christians can't prove anything wrong with somebody else for it is all just opinions. Science can prove this, christians can just say this without any proof. Christians that don't follow the truth of bible and disagree with the path of God don't make any sense either way.

The big bang theory has fundamental flaws. and Evolution is so full of holes, or missing links, it isn't funny. By its very existence science is proving many scientific theories wrong, why? well simply because the things that are stated in theory cannot be proven and if you take the atheist line of thinking that the bible is wrong in so may different scientific ways then science is just a huge problem unto itself.
-No, the bible is not wrong in many scientific ways. Why? Well there is nothing scientific about the bible. It is a book. Just like Dianetics. Science was used to date the book, thats about it. about the big bang and evolution, please follow back up to previous point.

All mammals are similar and your point about nipples shows your lack of knowledge of what a mammal is.Nipples are part of the Mammary system we aren't called mammals for nothing you know. Kangaroos are mammals so are koalas yet we look nothing like them. Whales are mammals yet you cant tell me we look like them either can you so don't go on about apes when you have no idea why they have nipples. The process of evolution does NOT get rid of bad traits infact if you took evolutionary theory at face value then the slow yet constant change in alelles throws so many different variables into the equation that bad traits are going to appear with monotonous regularity. If you think only the strong survive because the process of evolution is the driving force then you have taken Darwinian theory way to far and to a point that the old colonials and even NAZIs took it to. That idea was thrown out decades ago as false and politically motivated.
- Ok, well i did include natural selection into evolution but they all still stand strong, even though you say they are full of holes. If your going to throw in the negativity of the NAZI's please be aware of the evidence showing that he Hitler was a devote christian. There is evidence both ways. Anyway, we are mammals for numerous reasons and not just for nipples. That is quite obvious and was not my point. DUh. Natural selection is not thrown out, I don't know where you think it was. natural selection and evolution show how the bad alleles are slowly gotten rid of.

Now to brain capacity and hands. Go do some research on the brain capacity of prior species of "homo" and tell me who has the biggest average brain capacity, it certain isn't modern man and it actually goes to Homo Neandertalis (Neandertal man just incase you don't get Latin) with an average cranial capacity (Brain size) that is 10% larger than modern mans, even Homo Sapien Idaltu (Wise Old Man in Latin and found in Ethiopia) and Cro-Magnons have a brain capacity higher than the average Modern Human being so there goes that argument.
-There is goes where? Our brain capacity, not just in size but in devolpment. Some things are just implied. When people talk about the capacity of an individual, it is most generally is not referring to just there apparent size. That is why I didn't use the word "SIZE". lol

Hair, funny thing hair is. We have more hair follicles (meaning hair on our bodies) than chimps do. You know why it doesn't look like it? No, well I'll tell you, our hair is finer and lighter in shade while a chimps is courser and darker. Evolutionary Anthropologist would tell you that happened cause we started to wear clothes of some sort. It is also the exact same reason hair (head) lice suddenly (over a period of a 100k years or so) developed into body (clothes) lice. Go and watch your apes and see them picking hair (head) life off each other and eating them yet notice they don't pick off body (clothes) lice cause they only live on humans (cause we wear clothes, funny that hey).
-Ya, good to know you know so much about chimps. So you again provide proof to my side as to say that their problems we are solving.

Hands, the strongest "human" hand was on Neandertals. Now do you see what were you saying about Brain size, Hair and Hands is wrong?
-No? A. I didn't say brain size. B. Hair, it is changing, some are loosing it, some is different colours. If natural selection/evolution wasn't there it would still be the same chimp hair. C. I don't know. lol. I didn't say anything about strong hands. I said brain capacity in conjuntion with our hands. Why are you trying to twist around what I am saying to suit yourself.

Lol, if you can hear any sound from a simple text discussion then you are good. I don't "sound" anything cause you cannot possibly hear me. Read what I have said about religion and read then what I say about me. There are Atheist who are religiously atheist and they do not, or wouldn't admit to, talking to God. God didn't create his religion, Christianity is a belief system religion is a way of life. There are Christians who are not religious yet are still Christians.
-Yes I can hear sound from text. I can also hear you. lol WOW. You can speculate what athiests do, I don't really care. So god didn't create his religion when he wrote a book about it through a man. I am not making that up, your religion said that the bible was inspired by GOD. non Religious christians is an oxi moron. just like a religious athiests. Makes no sense.

I know many people who say to me you cannot be a Christian unless you can speak in tongues, I say to them that I speak in a couple of tongues English being my native tongue, they then say not that type of tongue and get all cranky at me cause I refuse to go of in an unintelligible rant and look like a zombie while I am doing it.
-That makes as much sense as Christians believe that non believers are going to burn in hellfire for eternity.

[fedorowich]

I have had JWs at my door telling me that unless I join them I will never get to heaven, and I just tell them that by their way of thinking only a few of them will get there anyway cause in JW land only 144000 are going to get into heaven and that 144000 will be the first 144000 JWs who died. Now considering they claim that there are millions of them then most are gonna be stuck outside of heaven.
-Ever thought about who has the right religion? Try to explain why yours is more right than anybody elses.

Then I have people like you who judge me whether I am a Christian or not based on their twisting of a discussion. Oh well I'll just say you can think what you want, your use of junior high school science to show your understanding and to "prove" your argument. may I suggest you do some reading and when you have try this again. Maybe next time you'll be able to show that you at least have a better understanding of science.[/quote]
-I am currently going through electrical engineering. I have two years completed and am going on my co op soon. My gpa is 3.2. Please don't assume I am an idiot about science. Your rant is clearly wrong and you are mistaken. I also went to a catholic elementary school, church, and sunday school for all of my early childhood and teen years. With that said, I have no need to bad mouth you.

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by fedorowich

-I am currently going through electrical engineering. I have two years completed and am going on my co op soon. My gpa is 3.2. Please don't assume I am an idiot about science. Your rant is clearly wrong and you are mistaken. I also went to a catholic elementary school, church, and sunday school for all of my early childhood and teen years. With that said, I have no need to bad mouth you.

You have no idea do you, you called me delusional yet you whine about others commenting on you.

I don't care what you are currently doing or if you ever entered a church building, that means nothing at all to me. What does mean something is that you, who are only doing electrical engineering, claims to know more about science than imminent scientists.

There is one simple fact I will leave you with regarding dating methods. Elements are all the same age. Gold is the same age as Potassium, why? well cause by the big bang theory they all occurred at the same time. Therefore by simple inference you of all people with you high education should know that all we have to do is grab some gold and date it to get the definitive date of how old the earth is.

Go back and do some reading, your reasoning skills are so old and backward it isn't funny. Even with your education and grades, btw we dont have GPAs much in Australia but I can tell you I have a distinction average in my BA and a HD average in all my other courses, you are showing you are not up to date with science and its methods. If you want to make a point be clear and concise with it, don't give me dragons and then call me delusional cause you seem to think one lives in your head and then claim something else later on. If you want to argue the merits of science against the short comings of Christianity start giving solid scientific proof that cannot be refuted instead of talking about brain capacity (btw that means size regardless of what you think) and me being able to show you with the evidence that science itself has given that you don't have a clue aof anything you are talking about.

I'm off to work, have a great day.