God on the Brain

[Zbyszek]

Originally Posted by fedorowich

^^^ totally absurd. So many flaws in that reply. Sort of upsetting to see that as a reply. I will only touch base of one of them. If you can't count on god in your time of need, what good is God?

Fedorovich, you display a typical claim-oriented approach of a person who tends to think of God like of as a servant fulfilling your every wish. No, it would be too easy, too convenient. Your logic is devastating in this case and explains nothing. God is not a gracious fairy. He is not a supermarket where you can buy because you have enough money. He is not a scientist ready to explain you why F=m.a

[bm-21Lemko]

^^^ totally absurd. So many flaws in that reply. Sort of upsetting to see that as a reply. I will only touch base of one of them. If you can't count on god in your time of need, what good is God?

That sounds more like a genie in a bottle. You only get three wishes so use them wisely. I guess if you wanted too, you could wish for infinite wishes. Now where did i put that genie.

[fedorowich]

Yes exactly, from both of you. He is not a genie, and he will not help you in your time of need. Then his miracles are what then. To belittle followers, demean people of who are in trouble, and irritate the intelligent. Why does he then provide "miracles". If he just does this randomly, does that not sound extremely absurd, for it does not help his followers. If god is not supposed to help you, than why pray to him and ask for help at all? Somebody please explain this!

You are right, "God is not a gracious fairy. He is not a supermarket where you can buy because you have enough money. He is not a scientist ready to explain you why F=m.a" Then what good is he?
He is obviously not a loving omnipotent being. Who would of thought of asking god to help save a child dieing of cancer was too much to ask. No, that would be easy. "True believers WON"T demand a miracle - they can only act like beggars knowing that they are a toy in God's playground. Tell a persons dieing child that. Another situation where if somethings happens that is great, its a miracle of God. If something bad happens, its not god's fault.

On the other hand, some arrogant people demand a miracle from God yelling: I will never believe you unless you do it for me here and now!
Arrogant, or just someone who needs proof to believe and not just blind faith.

[Zbyszek]

Originally Posted by fedorowich

Who would of thought of asking god to help save a child dieing of cancer was too much to ask. No, that would be easy. "True believers WON"T demand a miracle - they can only act like beggars knowing that they are a toy in God's playground. Tell a persons dieing child that. Another situation where if somethings happens that is great, its a miracle of God. If something bad happens, its not god's fault.

Still, Fedorovich, you can’t abandon your overt demands, demands. You are probably not able to beg, your ethical code would despise it as abominable humiliation. You only can claim like a passenger claims his luggage after setting his foot on a solid ground.
For Him, a life of an old, decrepit man is of the same very value as of this little suffering child. The more so, it is as valuable as a life of an unborn. Not for you, because you discriminate. For me, it is close to racism.

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by fedorowich

ya I realize that a priest would use his religious beliefs. I wrote that because of this "When a scientist says something that has religious connotations I wonder what he is using to back up his assertions, science or his own religious beliefs." Both are obvious, I don't see your point here, pointing out the obvious?

You use one line from a quote that was in response to something else and are asking questions or making statements with a question mark. Mate read it all again and maybe you'll figure out your own answer.

Originally Posted by fedorowich

I don't see your science point here. Glucosamine does not work? The mindset of an individual has strong effects to the body? Yes science wouldn't be science if its not repeatable. What are you trying to say?

I have already said what I want to say, I didn't have to try to say it either, if you cant figure it out may I suggest you take the scientific approach and read it all again repeatedly.

Originally Posted by fedorowich

Creation 'scientists' and intelligent design 'scientists' all use the bible (not science) to develop ideas and thoughts. They may twist science to suit there needs. It is not right to call them real scientists. You know that.

Here's another one who says what I know, get a grip mate and stop telling people what they "know" and read what they are writing. The 2 groups of scientist mentioned above are within mainstream science, if their peers acknowledge them as scientist what right do you have to say they aren't. Science gets twisted by everyone so don't blame a few for that, you just have a problem with anyone who calls themselves a Christian.

Originally Posted by fedorowich

'If they are smart enough to prove its not true then they are smart enough to find out what is true, yet the are unable to." I hope you see the flaw in your argument. Because they may have proved that Genisis is nuts, means they MUST prove everything else. That is obsured. Science does not know everything. Nothing in science is 100%, its man made. It may be 99.99% correct, but you see my point. If you expect that we create a small universe to show you and extend your life by 1000 years to show some type of macro evolution, I think not. We know how old our planet is, it is not a couple of thousands of years old like what the bible says. Do you now expect us to make a planet for you?

There is no flaw in my argument, the issue here is you inability to understand what I am saying, yet again I might add. They don't have to prove everything else but gee it would be good if they could give some good evidence to back up their claims for at least one thing. What proof is there for the Big Bang? none, what proof is there that we are evolved from a common ancestor to everything else on this planet? none. The only thing they have is theories, and before you claim again that a theory is not someone s idea then may I point you to the fact that if someone doesn't have an idea based on their preliminary observations then they ain't gonna have a theory.

We have no idea of how old our planet is, science is incapable of giving us a definitive number. Considering everything that has lived is carbon based, and the things that have not lived are based on elements found in the periodic table and ALL of these things can be dated the we should have a definitive date. Your total lack of understanding of the elements and how they pertain to this matter is astounding.

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by fedorowich

Don't label me as delusional or any number of those. I talk to a dragon in my head. That dragon knows what I'm thinking and tells me what to do. I don't always do it, but we chit chat. I know sometimes the dragon gets angry at me, but I just don't listen.

Lol, your telling me not to label you as delusional yet below you label me as such. Your a hypocrite if you think you can do something and not have others return your actions to you.

Originally Posted by fedorowich

Science 'set of theories' that can not be tested. The ignorance is annoying. Theories are not just some guys ideas. They are based off of calculated constant occurances that happen. We know the laws of physics and quantum mechanics. The Big Bang theory is not a drunk scientist's reditiion of 'Bang' the musical. We know the universe, we know how planets are formed, we know thermodynamic laws, I must surely not have to continue. If the proof you need must be a small universe created to show you, then you obviously have not read enough about the big bang theory and theories before it. Just like evolution. If evolution does not happen, we do not have biology. Without that, we don't have Chemisty, with out that, Health care, the list continues. Is evolution fully proven, No. Will it ever? Maybe not. Is the big bang theory? no. These are extremely complicated and can not simply be summed up with, oh the theory can not be 100% tested. Duhhhhh thats why its a theory. Read up on the 99.9% tests proven to be able to create the theory. Science again, does not claim to know everything. With saying that, God does not win here by default. If you can't see that, then delusional is the term used.

I have never asked anyone to create anything for me, I know you can't cause your not God and you don't have the ability to do such a thing.

Theories are ideas, as already pointed out above. Your flawed knowledge of the scientific process is amazing. Lets say for an example, I go out with some friends I have led a really sheltered life and know nothing of alcohol yet I know my friends very well. We go out my friends have a drink after a while their behaviour changes and all they have had is a drink. It wouldn't take Einstein to think to himself that maybe the drink is what has caused the change in behaviour. Parents around the world see similar thing with their kids every day and instinctively they have an idea that something is not right, they have a theory that something has caused a change. These people are not scientist, they have not carried out tests on their kids to come up with a theory that something is wrong, so your assertion that a theory is something that comes up after a myriad of tests a re carried out is simply incorrect.

I never said God wins by default in any discussion, what I am saying is science is unable to prove anything either way. You ask me to read up, I'm telling you to read up cause you are showing you have no idea about the theories you are defending and that my dear man is a problem especially when you are attacking something that others are able to discuss in an adult fashion.

Originally Posted by fedorowich

Yes, scientists don't agree with one another. Thats what makes it great. If everyone thought alike, there wouldn't be discoveries. You should be happy to hear that scientists want to try to discredit the other. That is probably the most beneficial thing other scientists can do. Yet with all this going on, the Big Bang theory and theories like it, still stand strong. Why, because there are years and years of thought, evidence, tests, etc, behind it.

Lol, Christians don't agree with each other, yet Atheist say look at them they cant even agree. By your own way of thinking Christianity should be great to, do you see the flaw in your own thought processes here?

The big bang theory has fundamental flaws. and Evolution is so full of holes, or missing links, it isn't funny. By its very existence science is proving many scientific theories wrong, why? well simply because the things that are stated in theory cannot be proven and if you take the atheist line of thinking that the bible is wrong in so may different scientific ways then science is just a huge problem unto itself.

Originally Posted by fedorowich

Go visit Apes at the zoo. Are we not similar? Point out their problems. Do we have those problems solved? for the most part? Why do human males have nipples? Why do humans have fingernails? Why do we have hair if we invented clothes? Maybe because the prior species have them. Or did God screw up his design? Please don't say you want to see a half human half Ape.The process of Evolution gets rid of bad traits and only the strong survive. Have you not noticed the decline of hair, shortening of finger nails. Are male nipples next? Wait and find out. We are indeed unique. We are the smartest because of our brain capacity and the hand is a big part of it.

All mammals are similar and your point about nipples shows your lack of knowledge of what a mammal is.Nipples are part of the Mammary system we aren't called mammals for nothing you know. Kangaroos are mammals so are koalas yet we look nothing like them. Whales are mammals yet you cant tell me we look like them either can you so don't go on about apes when you have no idea why they have nipples. The process of evolution does NOT get rid of bad traits infact if you took evolutionary theory at face value then the slow yet constant change in alelles throws so many different variables into the equation that bad traits are going to appear with monotonous regularity. If you think only the strong survive because the process of evolution is the driving force then you have taken Darwinian theory way to far and to a point that the old colonials and even NAZIs took it to. That idea was thrown out decades ago as false and politically motivated.

Now to brain capacity and hands. Go do some research on the brain capacity of prior species of "homo" and tell me who has the biggest average brain capacity, it certain isn't modern man and it actually goes to Homo Neandertalis (Neandertal man just incase you don't get Latin) with an average cranial capacity (Brain size) that is 10% larger than modern mans, even Homo Sapien Idaltu (Wise Old Man in Latin and found in Ethiopia) and Cro-Magnons have a brain capacity higher than the average Modern Human being so there goes that argument.

Hair, funny thing hair is. We have more hair follicles (meaning hair on our bodies) than chimps do. You know why it doesn't look like it? No, well I'll tell you, our hair is finer and lighter in shade while a chimps is courser and darker. Evolutionary Anthropologist would tell you that happened cause we started to wear clothes of some sort. It is also the exact same reason hair (head) lice suddenly (over a period of a 100k years or so) developed into body (clothes) lice. Go and watch your apes and see them picking hair (head) life off each other and eating them yet notice they don't pick off body (clothes) lice cause they only live on humans (cause we wear clothes, funny that hey).

Hands, the strongest "human" hand was on Neandertals. Now do you see what were you saying about Brain size, Hair and Hands is wrong?

Originally Posted by fedorowich

Lastly, you sound more non christian then christian. If you are non-religious and only really 'talk to god', then why call yourself christian. It is clear that god did not create his religion to be only half followed. Why bother even calling yourself a christian? How can a religion stand if you only pick certain aspects from it. Is it not ment to be taken as a whole? How can someone call themselves a christian and pick and choose what they want, when the creator makes it clear that is must all be taken whole heartedly. It makes no sense. When you go to the poles, you can't write 85% democrat and 15% republic. People ask you what you are, you have to say one or the other. You call yourself a democrat for instance, you are 100%. If you put an X beside them in your ballot, are you not saying your 100% democrat?

Lol, if you can hear any sound from a simple text discussion then you are good. I don't "sound" anything cause you cannot possibly hear me. Read what I have said about religion and read then what I say about me. There are Atheist who are religiously atheist and they do not, or wouldn't admit to, talking to God. God didn't create his religion, Christianity is a belief system religion is a way of life. There are Christians who are not religious yet are still Christians.

I know many people who say to me you cannot be a Christian unless you can speak in tongues, I say to them that I speak in a couple of tongues English being my native tongue, they then say not that type of tongue and get all cranky at me cause I refuse to go of in an unintelligible rant and look like a zombie while I am doing it.

I have had JWs at my door telling me that unless I join them I will never get to heaven, and I just tell them that by their way of thinking only a few of them will get there anyway cause in JW land only 144000 are going to get into heaven and that 144000 will be the first 144000 JWs who died. Now considering they claim that there are millions of them then most are gonna be stuck outside of heaven.

Then I have people like you who judge me whether I am a Christian or not based on their twisting of a discussion. Oh well I'll just say you can think what you want, your use of junior high school science to show your understanding and to "prove" your argument. may I suggest you do some reading and when you have try this again. Maybe next time you'll be able to show that you at least have a better understanding of science.

[bm-21Lemko]

Yes exactly, from both of you. He is not a genie, and he will not help you in your time of need. Then his miracles are what then. To belittle followers, demean people of who are in trouble, and irritate the intelligent. Why does he then provide "miracles". If he just does this randomly, does that not sound extremely absurd, for it does not help his followers. If god is not supposed to help you, than why pray to him and ask for help at all? Somebody please explain this!

If you know it is coming how is it a miracle? Thats more of a wish is granted from a genie. "belittle followers, demean people of who are in trouble, and irritate the intelligent." hahaha Man its not a cult.

If he just does this randomly, does that not sound extremely absurd, for it does not help his followers.

No, if you could get whatever you wanted when you wanted that is not believing those are wishes. We have unlimited wants and little resources. 1. It would be greedy to get what we wanted all the time. 2. He is not a genie that grants wishes at our disposal.

just someone who needs proof to believe and not just blind faith.

Have you ever prayed and asked God? He is not UPS you can't ask for two day shipping, it might take some time but he eventually answers your question.

He is obviously not a loving omnipotent being. Who would of thought of asking god to help save a child dieing of cancer was too much to ask. No, that would be easy.

Nothing i say here will change that persons status of living or dead you have to believe in order to know that they are safe. If you believe you know it was time for that person to leave and pain and suffering are over. We as humans do not have an immortal life and eventually die, just like other animals. We become attached to the things and people we love, but unfortunantly time does not stand still, but continues on.