God on the Brain

[fedorowich]

ya I realize that a priest would use his religious beliefs. I wrote that because of this "When a scientist says something that has religious connotations I wonder what he is using to back up his assertions, science or his own religious beliefs." Both are obvious, I don't see your point here, pointing out the obvious?

I don't see your science point here. Glucosamine does not work? The mindset of an individual has strong effects to the body? Yes science wouldn't be science if its not repeatable. What are you trying to say?

Creation 'scientists' and intelligent design 'scientists' all use the bible (not science) to develop ideas and thoughts. They may twist science to suit there needs. It is not right to call them real scientists. You know that.
'If they are smart enough to prove its not true then they are smart enough to find out what is true, yet the are unable to." I hope you see the flaw in your argument. Because they may have proved that Genisis is nuts, means they MUST prove everything else. That is obsured. Science does not know everything. Nothing in science is 100%, its man made. It may be 99.99% correct, but you see my point. If you expect that we create a small universe to show you and extend your life by 1000 years to show some type of macro evolution, I think not. We know how old our planet is, it is not a couple of thousands of years old like what the bible says. Do you now expect us to make a planet for you?

Don't label me as delusional or any number of those. I talk to a dragon in my head. That dragon knows what I'm thinking and tells me what to do. I don't always do it, but we chit chat. I know sometimes the dragon gets angry at me, but I just don't listen.

Science 'set of theories' that can not be tested. The ignorance is annoying. Theories are not just some guys ideas. They are based off of calculated constant occurances that happen. We know the laws of physics and quantum mechanics. The Big Bang theory is not a drunk scientist's reditiion of 'Bang' the musical. We know the universe, we know how planets are formed, we know thermodynamic laws, I must surely not have to continue. If the proof you need must be a small universe created to show you, then you obviously have not read enough about the big bang theory and theories before it. Just like evolution. If evolution does not happen, we do not have biology. Without that, we don't have Chemisty, with out that, Health care, the list continues. Is evolution fully proven, No. Will it ever? Maybe not. Is the big bang theory? no. These are extremely complicated and can not simply be summed up with, oh the theory can not be 100% tested. Duhhhhh thats why its a theory. Read up on the 99.9% tests proven to be able to create the theory. Science again, does not claim to know everything. With saying that, God does not win here by default. If you can't see that, then delusional is the term used.

Yes, scientists don't agree with one another. Thats what makes it great. If everyone thought alike, there wouldn't be discoveries. You should be happy to hear that scientists want to try to discredit the other. That is probably the most beneficial thing other scientists can do. Yet with all this going on, the Big Bang theory and theories like it, still stand strong. Why, because there are years and years of thought, evidence, tests, etc, behind it.

Go visit Apes at the zoo. Are we not similar? Point out their problems. Do we have those problems solved? for the most part? Why do human males have nipples? Why do humans have fingernails? Why do we have hair if we invented clothes? Maybe because the prior species have them. Or did God screw up his design? Please don't say you want to see a half human half Ape.The process of Evolution gets rid of bad traits and only the strong survive. Have you not noticed the decline of hair, shortening of finger nails. Are male nipples next? Wait and find out. We are indeed unique. We are the smartest because of our brain capacity and the hand is a big part of it.

Lastly, you sound more non christian then christian. If you are non-religious and only really 'talk to god', then why call yourself christian. It is clear that god did not create his religion to be only half followed. Why bother even calling yourself a christian? How can a religion stand if you only pick certain aspects from it. Is it not ment to be taken as a whole? How can someone call themselves a christian and pick and choose what they want, when the creator makes it clear that is must all be taken whole heartedly. It makes no sense. When you go to the poles, you can't write 85% democrat and 15% republic. People ask you what you are, you have to say one or the other. You call yourself a democrat for instance, you are 100%. If you put an X beside them in your ballot, are you not saying your 100% democrat?

[V-G]

Let this moment be remembered as the time when atheists won yet again!

Thank you all for playing and now back to regular programming.

[dobko]

What do you win V-G and who said that you won it? On that note.......I'm off to church to spend some with my Father.... I'll put in a good word for you.

[V-G]

Originally Posted by dobko

What do you win V-G and who said that you won it? On that note.......I'm off to church to spend some with my Father.... I'll put in a good word for you.

Being right is the reward here my friend. If by Father you mean "God" then tell him I'd like a conversation, tomorrow at noon over lunch. Tell him to bring a turkey sandwich

[dobko]

He's game. Says that He never left you and has been talking to you since before you were born. You just have to be still and listen. So you don't need to find Him....He's found you. He also would like you to know that He loves you just as you are.

God is faithful and loving.

here is His message for you ........ YouTube - Father's Love Letter

[Zbyszek]

Originally Posted by V-G

... There wasn't a person I could ever think of that had thought a bad thing about her, she always smiled and was role model of exemplary ethical behaviour. Her faith led her to believe that there was no need for surgery, she loved God and she knew that she would be protected. She lived an exceptionally healthy life style. I think that because of her lifestyle the tumour took good 25 years to develop into cancer and then she died within a month. Surgery was not an option by that time and believe me no stinking God of yours saved her either. I wish he did exist, because let me tell you I'd have something to tell him. So, to all you fools that think that prayer works, do quit with medicine, quit with doctors - rely on your belief. Until then you are a bunch of phonies who are scared to die, who need the reassurance that there is some sort of heaven, but the truth is you are just a bunch of cowards. And the bad news for all of you, if God does exist you will still all go to hell for pretending. This 50% belief "just in case" won't cut it if there is God, coz he'll know what you were really thinking.
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Volodya, I am not an expert on religion but I do not understand why you adopt such a cruel, ruthless approach on people who are believers. We often joke in my country which is, on the average, regarded as one of the most Christian in Europe about two categories of people:

1. Non-believers - who never believe in miracles but do expect them in need,
2. Believers - who sincerely believe in miracles but do not dare count on them in need.
Your aunt did not count on God for saving her life because she must have perfectly realized that she would not live forever. Instead, she rather must have felt relief when dying because her death made deep sense. People who do not believe, often feel compulsive fear in the face of approaching death. It is an instinctive feeling and only deep reflection can make us overcome fear and avoid terrible emptiness of mind.
Your arguments do not touch the essence of the human expectations because educated people who are believers, do not dare count on miracles and they trust modern medicine of course. The physicians are not omnipotent however and sometimes they have to give up. True believers WON"T demand a miracle - they can only act like beggars knowing that they are a toy in God's playground.
On the other hand, some arrogant people demand a miracle from God yelling: I will never believe you unless you do it for me here and now!

[fedorowich]

^^^ totally absurd. So many flaws in that reply. Sort of upsetting to see that as a reply. I will only touch base of one of them. If you can't count on god in your time of need, what good is God?