Atheism and Christianity debate

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Atheism and Christianity debate

Micheal, would you mind if instead of restoring an old thread we start a new one?

I would like to focus on the fact that Christianity teaches its followers not to try to rationalize their faith. You told me not to try to think about this logically, that faith just doesn't work that way.

My question is, how does it work?

[StormAU]

Good question, ok you remember I told you it is an individual thing so on that basis I'll answer how it is for me.

Science teaches rational thought in the greatest of Greek philosophical traditions. It teaches not to trust what you see but instead to reason with your mind, it also teaches that repetition is the key. Now with a belief system like Christianity there is no scientific (or philosophical) style repetition, in other words there comes a time where you must use your eyes, you must use faith, you must use your inbuilt skills of reading and seeing that there is no way what exists today can just be by chance.

The problem with science is that its reliance on repetition shoots its own arguments of evolution in the foot, it also shoots current happenings down in flames (did you know we should actually be entering into a mini ice age about now but guess what we aren't). Science has its limitations, yes I agree so does religion, but to my way of seeing the world around me what is happening cannot just be by chance.

I know you don't want this type of answer my friend but it is really simple, its about faith nothing more nothing less, faith based on what you see as against what things like science are trying to say is reality.

[stepanstas]

It's really difficult to believe in science and religion.

I did read an article once and it made it about easier. A question that is many times difficult to answer. Do you believe in Gods creation of the world or the "Big Boom". Of course most here will say Gods creation, but when you think about it for a bit, you see that science has explained just about everything. How it all happened.

Well, here is the thing. There was something that had to cause the "Big Boom". And God is the one that caused it.

I just found that article really interesting and is one that I will remember for a long time. Maybe some of you will find this interesting.

[bm-21Lemko]

I agree with Stepan. Not only that but there is a lot of errors in the big

boom theory. Not only that its a theory and scientists try to make it fact.

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I got to run... so just a quick reply to Lemko:

True, it is a theory and not all the kinks are worked out yet (or ever will), many theories fail, and how many flaws are you aware of in the Bible?

I am curious as to why there is literally no archaeological evidence of anything from the bible? Noah's boat has never been found (just one example).

[bm-21Lemko]

actually they did find, they had a history channel episode on it. It had moved though, they say it was probably the seismic activity in the region.

Apperently the Russian army, tsarists. Were the first to find it, but when they got back with the photographs and documents, they were shot by Communist government and the documents were destroyed.(1916 expedition fake, 1917 expedition real) But a different team found it recently and the one they believe is the arc is in a museum.

The arc was found in the Turkish mountains. It was found next to ararat. but some think its not that one and it is still in the mountains. One thing that was cool in the video was these old ancient stone anchors just out in the middle of the turkish desert.

There are photos from the u.s. government that has released it recently from the forties, those are the best pictures of the arc in the mountain.

Also there is a history channel episode, in which they found more books of the apostles that are not in the bible in egypt.

I am not a firm believer in the bible because the catholic church was kind of manipulative back in the day and mostly didn't tell the truth. So, maybe they edited the original bible. Apparently the armenian version which is the oldest is different from the King James version and other older bibles.

That is the anchor

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Originally Posted by bm-21Lemko

The arc was found in the Turkish mountains. It was found next to ararat. but some think its not that one and it is still in the mountains. One thing that was cool in the video was these old ancient stone anchors just out in the middle of the turkish desert.

There are photos from the u.s. government that has released it recently from the forties, those are the best pictures of the arc in the mountain.

Are you referring to this image?


If yes, then it is not the Ark -

* The real Ark landed on “the mountains of Ararat.” Mount Ararat consists of two mountains, or peaks, called Greater Ararat and Lesser Ararat. This boat-shaped formation is on neither of those mountains.
* The shape of this formation is like a modern fossilized boat, but it does not fit the dimensions of Noah's Ark given in the Bible (length six times its width). The Bible says the width was 50 cubits (75 feet or 22.5 meters). That means it was rectangular, not pointed at the ends, but you can see the formation pictured is only a few meters wide at the ends, not 50 cubits. This formation's width is all wrong.
* Bible-believing geologists have thoroughly examined this object and found it is made of different types of rock. If it were the Ark it would contain fossilized wood, but it doesn't. Some people thought they found fossilized wood in it in the 1980s, but it turned out to be basalt (a volcanic rock).
* The streamlined, pointed shape of the rock formation is unlike what Bible scholars and creationist scientists believe the Ark was like. They believe the real Ark had squared-off ends. It only had to float, and squared-off ends are the most stable shape. The Ark was not going anywhere, because it was merely a vessel for keeping alive the representative animals that God sent to Noah for preservation. So pointed ends would not be practical.
* Three other formations in the shape of the false Noah's Ark Other rock formations in the area are the same shape as the formation above, but they are of different sizes. The Turkish Air Force released the photo at right that shows three similar “ark” shapes on Lesser Mount Ararat. Supporters of the formation pictured at the top of this page chose it only because its length roughly matches the real Ark's length. They ignore the smaller, similar geological formations. All these formations seem to have formed when volcanic material flowed down the mountain.


Hopefully you will agree that the Ark was never found, and I have a very good explanation as to why not... yep, you guessed it - because it doesn't exist.

P.S. Michael, I will respond to your post later... takes time to type up proper replies and this Ark thing got me going first .