If god exists, what created god?

[Lilly]

Since the universe exists, something must have created it.

If God is defined as infinite and eternal, than how COULD anyone have created Him?

I think that most people believe God was created after all else in the Universe was
created. God is a term that is and was used to bring attention to us and other forms of this life, aware that there is another life after this, if we all are energy then we have another life.

If there truly was just one God or a number of God's that had any power to control, or help others, our world would not be in the mess it is today.

The sun drives the existence of life on
Earth, so could God be the sun?


What happens when God stops believing in Him/Her self ?


He can always read Descarte: "I am because I think."

But what if I think I'm not thinking?

Or rather, what if Descartes' statement is a non-sequitor?

Maybe it's more easily grasped by saying, "What if true reality is far
beyond my comprehension (which it most certainly is) and therefore, to
assume that thinking and existing are equivalent is nothing more than
assuming."

Uhmmmmm. Do you get what I'm saying?

Forget it... Zen, Buddha, blablabla.

LillyNomad

[Lilly]

"Humans created GOD"
is a possible statement. GOD is a terminology used to depict phenomena beyond
the realms or ordinary human understanding.

Look at ancient cultures. There was a god for every entity that boggled the contemporary civilizations. There was a
GOD of SUN, FIRE, STORM and the list goes on. WHY? Because people could not reason HOW, WHAT, and WHY about SUN and so on.

Time went on and civilization evolved but only to replace multiple gods by one GOD. Let us take a look at INDUS VALLEY civilization.
According to archelogists some artifacts found during excavation tell us that people use to worship birds, such as doves. There are many other examples that can be set forth.


With the advent of modern PHYSICS it MIGHT be possible in future to explain the process of our existance. Many theories have already been put on table, yet still in their youth, are pretty compelling.


LillyNomad


Remember, I am just asking the question. Not stating my personal opinion.

[This message has been edited by Lilly (edited 18 March 2000).]

[StasUA]

God was not created, God is a beginning.

[Lilly]

HOW DID HE BEGIN?
I like the Melvin theory better.
You will have to ask Russell about that one.
He thinks we were all created by a giant sneeze.
Russ honey, tell them. It is funny.

That man is the ecstatic rabbit, always thinking in overdrive.

[StasUA]

Lilly, there many questions that cannot be answered, like - where is the end of the universe? And what is nehind it? So do not expect to ahve one answer for one questions... God is a beginning - how?where?when? cannot be answered...

[MrNatural2]

If you insist Lilly (and I know you do !)

Astronomers generally agree that the Universe began with the explosion of the cosmic egg (about the size of a basketball) about 15 billion years ago. This is generally known as the "Big Bang" theory. I, however, believe it was started by a big sneeze, A Very Big Sneeze. But it was also very Small sneeze. But I'm getting ahead of myself.

Approximately 15 billion years ago(in our time frame) an extremely LARGE man(from our frame of reference) was sitting at his kitchen table having breakfast. Without covering his mouth he sneezed, thus sending "our" universe spraying and hurtling through the air towards Mavis, his wife.(By the way, the man's name is/was(?) Melvin). Mavis is not amused and is in the process of chastizing Melvin. She's going to say, "Melvin, cover your mouth when you sneeze!" but so far has only said, "Melvin, cov......"

You see, the galaxies in "our" universe are simply the globules of stuff which are exiting Melvin's mouth at a tremendous rate of speed. Our solar system is an atom in one of those globs. The Milky Way glob, if you will.

The reason Mavis has not yet finished her sentence is because 15 billion of "our" years are equal to about 2 seconds in Melvin/Mavis time.

I support my theory on two pieces of evidence. First, Astronomers know the expansion of "our" universe is slowing down but don't know why. I do. Our universe is encountering resistance. What kind? The atmosphere in Melvin's kitchen, of course.

Secondly, the universe is not expanding equally in all directions. It is expanding in a parabolic trajectory that is perfectly explained by Melvin's sneeze.

Most Astronomers believe the "Big BanG" will eventually result in a "Big Crunch" with the universe contracting to the original cosmic egg. My theory predicts we will simply settle on Melvin's kitchen table.

I forgot to mention that for those of us who worship and pray to Melvin, when concluding a prayer, instead of saying "Amen" we say "Ah-choo!"

Some observers interpret all this to mean that Melvin and Mavis are really BIG. Which would seem to imply that "our" universe is really small. Well, it is and it isn't. It depends on which point of view one takes.

From "our" point of view they are BIG! From their point of view we are VERY small. But from the point of view of the people who created Melvin, both we and Melvin are really small. But to the worlds and civilizations that we create and destroy on an hourly basis we and Melvin are seen as really HUGE. Ah-choo ! ! ! I just created a Universe. They went through the same things we did. Most of all they ARGUED all the time about where they came from. Did all the stupid stuff we do ! Oh well, some things nobody ever learns, not even those folks in all the different Universes.

Where is the beginning? It's a bogus question. There is/was no beginning. Where will it all end? There is/was will be no ending. Without beginnings there can be no endings and without endings there can be no beginnings.

I sure hope the thought police are not lurking about ! ! !

[B_Ungaro]

Greetings Lilly,
I can hardly wait to see what John Struthers is going to say about this. I have rounded up all the dictionaries in the house. I am ready for him.
As to your topic. Worship, God and other subjects of the same nature have undergone
their own EVOLUTION. Humanity has worshipped
all kinds of things. Fire, Animals, Statues,
etc, etc, etc. When primitive knowledge
disproved one of these "GODS", humanity
created another "GOD" that was beilevable
under the prevailing sum of knowledge. All religions practiced today are the outgrowth
of discarded religions, although more sophisticated. Some of religions of today even offer a PREMIUM, ie, Eternal Life. The current batch of religions will come to the same end as previous ones came to. Science
will out date and disprove them. Let us look at Christianity as an example. In the existance of the earth and humanity, Christianity has been around only a nanosecond. Like a blink of an eye. Yet most of the fundamental teachings of Christianity are either mute, disproved or well on their way of being disproved. Man has created this GOD and I am sure that we will create something after this one. It will be more
sophisticated, more worldly, more believable, just right for our time. I think that Hungarians will be the creators of the NEW GOD. The PREMIUM that we will come up with will be a verifiable kind, heck, even negotiable. If you don't like what's in the FIRST ENVELOPE, bring it back, we will credit your account, and you can work towards a HIGHER LEVEL of PREMIUM. There is a DRAWBACK. When the HUNGARIAN GOD takes over, we are not going to sacrifice any Hungarians for your mistakes. You will have to deal with the LAW and your own CONSCIENCE. This is the way it should have been all along. No SUBTERFUGE in our faith.
The GOOD PEOPLE get to live in HUNGARY. (pre-world war II) Those who fail to qualify get to live in SIBERIA.( I almost wrote Serbia.) This sounds good. I think I could sell this.
Anyway, GOOD SUBJECT.