Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

[nickcsadler]

That is awesome Dobko... we serve a fantastic God who loves everyone.. even those who don`t believe...

[V-G]

Dobko, you are a really nice guy and I like being able to chat with you every once in a while. But if you continue reading my views on religion you may learn to hate me.

>>>my reply>>>>

I run the risk of being hated here. I know it because this is not the first time that I oppose the mainstream religious views and at first the religious bunch is very nice. As long as there is prospect of convincing me and maybe even converting me, religious groups do their best to be all "godly"... again comes down to it as simply the nicest people you can possibly imagine.

The second stage is when they realize that I as rational as they come and there are no arguments that are rational and can convince me that I was wrong.

Same story here. The guy is born without limbs. It is a very sad story and if he needs financial support I'd give a donation (not because he believes in god, but because he is really unlucky and it is an unfair world). But this does not change the fact that he will NOT grow his arms and legs back. No matter how much he asks for it... he believes in god and I think he is right to do so. If he didn't he would try to end his life, right? He needs god to exist, otherwise the extent to which the world is unfair to him is unbearable. God doesn't give him strength, he gets strength from believing in god. By the same token I could believe in the power of concrete to heal me. Silly example but illustrates my point.

My baba is also religious and I can tell you first hand that there are millions of atheists who will sooner go to heaven than her. And yet she can't shut up about how she helped build a church and how we should all pray. There is no god guys.

Lastly, lets all concentrate on one very good argument from the book I posted (link in first post). Why is it that different religious groups think that other religious groups are silly and make no sense when they all are technically the same?

[V-G]

I love the link you sent to me! It really made my brain work a little harder... I needed the exercise.

In response to the first argument (elaborated ever so vividly) I would like to say that GOD, could be DEAD even if he started the motion. There is nothing to say that he is still out there... must have died from all the hard work . Again, hardly a proof of current existence.

I'll comment more as I move along the articles.

The first and more manifest way is the argument from motion. It is certain, and evident to our senses, that in the world some things are in motion. Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that towards which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves inasmuch as it is in act. For motion is nothing else than the reduction of something from potentiality to actuality. But nothing can be reduced from potentiality to actuality, except by something in a state of actuality. Thus that which is actually hot, as fire, makes wood, which is potentially hot, to be actually hot, and thereby moves and changes it. Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects. For what is actually hot cannot simultaneously be potentially hot; but it is simultaneously potentially cold. It is therefore impossible that in the same respect and in the same way a thing should be both mover and moved, i.e. that it should move itself. Therefore, whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another. If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover; seeing that subsequent movers move only inasmuch as they are put in motion by the first mover; as the staff moves only because it is put in motion by the hand. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.

[V-G]

There is a problem with all the arguments at once Kathy. The very last big is a jump... nothing can exists without being created, every action has an equal and opposite reaction... sounds familiar? All the arguments are based on a simple fact - we cannot explain some things in life - THEREFORE... *drum roll please* there must be GOD! Yippeee!! WRONG! Just because we can't explain things doesn't mean god exists. I am amazed at how someone would put this much effort into coming up with these arguments (just the fancy language is already a lot of effort) and not be smart enough to realize his own flaws.

Answer this please: what is to say that when we die we do not become the opposition to the party of GOD? Who is to say that we do not have a run at it and can't become one if we happen to be "good"? Who is to say that GOD = GOOD? Why not say, there was some creature, an alien, who created earth to have fun and watch it grow... he died and passed the little toy to his evil son?

All of my made up stores are just as absurd as believing in god.

The third way is taken from possibility and necessity, and runs thus. We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, since they are found to be generated, and to corrupt, and consequently, they are possible to be and not to be. But it is impossible for these always to exist, for that which is possible not to be at some time is not. Therefore, if everything is possible not to be, then at one time there could have been nothing in existence. Now if this were true, even now there would be nothing in existence, because that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing. Therefore, if at one time nothing was in existence, it would have been impossible for anything to have begun to exist; and thus even now nothing would be in existence — which is absurd. Therefore, not all beings are merely possible, but there must exist something the existence of which is necessary. But every necessary thing either has its necessity caused by another, or not. Now it is impossible to go on to infinity in necessary things which have their necessity caused by another, as has been already proved in regard to efficient causes. Therefore we cannot but postulate the existence of some being having of itself its own necessity, and not receiving it from another, but rather causing in others their necessity. This all men speak of as God.

[dobko]

Why would I hate you Volodya? Do you hate me for being a believer? Nah, I didn't think you would. I don't hate you my friend...and your disbelief only makes me curious. How much more needs to be revealed and will it ever be enough?

[V-G]

Originally Posted by dobko

Why would I hate you Volodya? Do you hate me for being a believer? Nah, I didn't think you would. I don't hate you my friend...and your disbelief only makes me curious. How much more needs to be revealed and will it ever be enough?

Hey Clay,
I am glad to hear that you are OK with this... you may feel like I don't belong to your circle because I don't believe in something that is so dear to your heart. Not believing isn't dear to my heart and that is why I don't have any problems with those who believe.

Cheers,
Volodya

[dobko]

Good to hear Volodya.

To answer your origional question....yes God does heal amputees.


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