Another fraudlent election

[fairbro]

I was wondering how many of the so-called "election observers/monitors" congregated in the Western half of the country. Maybe enough to fill a booth at a restaurant? On the other hand, the number who observed in the East couldn't be held by a football stadium. Maybe they wanted to make sure the old people and invalids didn't get to vote (no absentee ballots allowed).

In the US there was a fraud in the state of Washington. First, after all the votes were counted, the Republican candidate for governor was victorious. The Democrats demanded a recount, and after the recount, the Republican was still ahead. But he was only ahead by a few votes.

If only we could "find" a few more votes, mused the Democrats.

So, the media continued to express "concern" about the closeness of the election, and guess what, they counted the votes for a third time. But this time, they didn't trust those machines, they counted the votes by hand.

Where can we "find" a few more votes, mused the Democrats.

(Remind anyone of Hilary Clinton, "discovering" 2 boxes of subpoened documents 2 years after they were requested, on the kitchen table of the White House? Nobody ever found out how these documents mysteriously appeared, neatly boxed, on Hilary's kitchen table. I guess it would take 2 years to "modify" that many incriminating documents).

Democrats wondered how they could possibly lose in this liberal state. The people just can't be trusted to make the "correct" choice.

In the city of Seattle (the most left-wing city on the Left Coast) solidly Democrat since before the automobile was invented, if there were more votes to be found, they could be "found" here.

Six weeks after the election, the Democrat clerk of Seattle "discovered", hiding in a file folder under a stack of papers in a forgotten office, another 600 votes!!

Alright! Since the discovered votes were from Seattle, it was enough to tip this 3rd vote to the Democrat.

After this convincing and "final" victory, all the complaining and concern by the left-wing media disappeared. When the Democrat won, the "correct" person had "won." The "election" is OVER, and there won't have to be any more re-elections.

Calls for an investigation or a revote by the Republicans are labled as "outrageous" or ignored.

Similarly, calls for a "re-vote" in Ukraine are ignored. The "correct" candidate has won and the people's freedom to vote and choose their own leaders and policies be damned.

So if you want to have a fair election, the first thing you need is not to have a powerful, monopolistic media. I saw in the Ukraine, how the TV ads by Yanukovich, were always followed or "answered," immediately by louder (volume on the TV) ads by Yushenko. Did they do this on purpose?

The election monitors were mostly agenda-driven ideologues, I think. They were there to prove that Yanukovich was evil and Yushenko was pure as the driven snow.

Okay, I only talked to one of them, but it was enough. She had never been to the US, but "knew" that Bush was stupid, and bad. And he stole both elections.

I hope you get some freedom of the press in the Ukraine, so you don't have to settle for the Euronews. I never thought anything could be more inane, idiotic and biased than CNN, but there it is.

[mishaaverko]

So true fairbro.

French tv station 5 was actually the worse, which underscores how skewed the Western coverage was.

The CBC uncritically interviewed a Canadian "monitor" from Donyetsk who without any specifics claimed she felt "threatened." Needless to say, this Canadian observer had a west Ukrainian sounding and spelled name.

Those few monitors in western Ukraine confirm blatantly inappropriate pro-Yushchenko manipulation with the EU remaining lax.

[big-daddy]

The main difference between irregularities of the 2nd and 3rd round was that in the 2nd round Yu.'s team could substantiate their claims before the Constitutional Court. What does Ya. have? besides problems with orange flowers and tablecloths.
CVK had already dismissed them, so will the court soon.

...Similarly, calls for a "re-vote" in Ukraine are ignored...
Look at the relatively large difference (8%)- there's no doubt. You want to vote 4th time? Thats silly. People are experiencing voting fatigue.

...I saw in the Ukraine, how the TV ads by Yanukovich, were always followed or "answered," immediately by louder (volume on the TV) ads by Yushenko. Did they do this on purpose?..
This happened in the 3rd round, ONLY when the wheels have fell off for Ya. campaign and it was clear that there was no chance for him to win, fraudulant election or not.

... I hope you get some freedom of the press in the Ukraine, so you don't have to settle for the Euronews. I never thought anything could be more inane, idiotic and biased than CNN, but there it is....
Freedom of press is gonna do just fine, especially after these elections. Plus you can read news on the net in the original Ukrainian or Russian, so don't settle on westerners.

...Those few monitors in western Ukraine confirm blatantly inappropriate pro-Yushchenko manipulation with the EU remaining lax....
Watch Izvestia and the Russian news- in the first days of the Orange revolution Russians were freaking out how they'll lose Ukraine and hopes of re-establishing the Soviet Empire would be dashed.


I have a feeling you guys are not versed in ukrainian politics at all, and probably wouldn't know who Azarov, Lytvyn, Axmetov or T. Chornovil are.

[Edited by big-daddy on 12th January 2005 at 05:31]

[mishaaverko]

You're 100% wrong on that.

Russians aren't longing for a "Soviet Empire."

Russia and Ukraine go back centuries.

Something that crackpot Brzezinskiites downplay.

[big-daddy]

My new favorite picture of the elections:

[mishaaverko]

Your knowledge is limited to primarily pictures.

[big-daddy]

Originally posted by mishaaverko
Your knowledge is limited to primarily pictures.

I don't know about that, for example, this picture summorizes one aspect of Ya.'s campaign- he presented himself as a defender of Orthodox religion and so you've got this crying babka who probably thinks that Ya. is her messiah.
Symbolism is very powerful stuff.