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Old 29th May 2003, 20:33
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I say we Slavs shall unite on the basis of common BLOOD, not language, traditions, cultures etc.

However, here we've got the problem, not all Slavs have pure slavic blood. Only Poles, Russians and Bielorussians are pure Slavs. Of course, it's only natural for us to unite, but what's about Ukrainians? Ukrainians are in fact Slavicized Carpathians, they speak Slavic, but their origin is not Slavic.

Here's interesting information (sources are in English)

Сравнение мужского ДНК поляков и русских:

(полный текст)

http://link.springer.de/link/service...728/index.html

(выдержка)

http://www.network54.com/Realm/anthro/discussion4.jpg

Вывод: по мужскому ДНК поляки от русских не отличаются. Русские близки полякам разных регионов Польши настолько же, насколько поляки близки друг другу, за исключением Краковской группы, которая, однако, в свою очередь выделяется из общепольского генетического кластера. Вместе с тем, поляки существенно отличаются от немцев (хотя достаточно близки им), и от всех других народов.


Сравнение женского ДНК поляков и русских:

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http://journals.cup.cam.ac.uk/bin/bl...03480002001161

Вывод: поляки Померании от русских не отличаются.

Также в исследовании подчеркивается, что поляки и русские генетически близки немцам и финнам*.

*Примечание

Так называемые "финские" гаплогруппы, присутствующие как у русских, так и у поляков, немцев и скандинавов, а также у балтов - это гаплогруппы автохтонного населения Северо-Восточной Европы, сохранившиеся в большей степени у финнов ввиду их относительной обособленности. Разумеется, это гаплогруппы (северо-)европеоидов. В любом случае, их удельный вес в генетической композиции русских и других индо-европейских народов незначителен.

Русский этнос от Смоленская до Рязани, и от Архангельска до Курска характеризуется генетической гомогенностью:

Polymorphism of minisatellite loci ApoB and D1S80 in Russian populations.
D. A. Verbenko1, O. P. Balanovsky1, T. V. Pogoda1, L. V. Bets2, A. V. Stepanova2, V. P. Ivanov3, M. A. Solodilova3, N. A. Bebyakova4, S. A. Limborska1
1Institute of Molecular Genetics, Russian Academy of Sciences; Moscow, Russian Federation; 2Moscow State University; Moscow, Russian Federation; 3Kursk Medical University; Kursk, Russian Federation; 4Arkhangelsk State Medical Academy; Arkhangelsk, Russian Federation
Genetic diversity in native peoples from six Russian areas (Arkhangelsk, Kostroma, Kursk, Novgorod, Ryazan' and Smolensk regions) has been analysed. We examined the polymorphism of minisatellite loci D1S80 and 3'ApoB because of their high discrimination power. More than 700 unrelated individuals from 13 population samples were studied. Allele distributions of these loci have been obtained. Allele typing was performed using PCR technique and PAAG electrophoresis followed by silver staining.For precise determination of 3'ApoB alleles specially designed allelic ladder was used. Observed allele distributions were found to be similar with that shown for other Caucasoid populations. Both loci revealed high degree of polymorphism - we detected more than 20 alleles for each - and geterosygosity level above 76 per cent. These data make us possible to suppose that differencies between Russian populations are statistically insignificant. Comparative study of Mongoloid group (Jakut population sample) has educed statistically confirmed difference with Russians.

Украинцы генетически отличаются от русских:

http://journals.cup.cam.ac.uk/bin/bl...03480000008460

В свою очередь, русские близки немцам и финнам (см. примечание выше)

Таким образом, генетически поляки и русские (и, конечно, белорусы) являются славянами, и близки другим североевропеоидам - немцам, скандинавам и финнам. Украинцы славянами не являются, и генетически связаны с южноевропеоидами.

Данные генетики полностью согласовываются с полным антропологическим сходством трех братских славянских народов: русских, белорусов и поляков, и, в меньшей степени, немцев, скандинавов и финнов.
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Old 29th May 2003, 21:03
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Yeah, but....

The gravest issue with that, is that when one "unites" as it, were based on bloodlines it might be argued that the effect is de-evolutionary on the species in general. At the same time, the social effects of uniting on the basis of blood ( like religion) can turn for the worse to populations outside the group.

Theoretically, and only IMHO, of course.....
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Old 29th May 2003, 21:34
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You mean inbreading?

In Mesolithic times there were only 25 000 species in Europe, for a long time, and... no problem! :-)

So forget about it, our countries are huge. Most of our territories used to be united anyway: Ancient Rus, The Rusian-Lithuanian Duchy, Polish-Lithianian confederation, Imperial Russia, USSR...

As for Ukraine, I gather the partition of this country is the best solution. The Slavic Union shall take the most Slavic lands - Crimea, Eastern Ukraine and Novorossija (Southern Ukraine), while Western Ukrain can be independent or reunited with Romania.
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Old 29th May 2003, 23:48
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I’ve read a lot of stupid posts, but this has to be one of the highest. All Slavs migrated from Western Ukraine!!! Western Ukraine and Slovakia are the most Slavic areas on the face of the planet. That explains the little diversity in the area, mainly blonde hair and blue eyes. That really sounds Romanian does it not?
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Old 30th May 2003, 09:45
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All Slavs migrated from Poland! Poland, Bielorussia and Russia are the most (and only) Slavic Nations! If Western Ukraine is the original Slavic homeland, it must have the HIGHEST genetic diversity, but it doesn't, Poland does!

Ukrainians are not blond, especially Western ones. Or rather they are as blond as Romanians
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Old 30th May 2003, 11:54
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Before you spew your racist garbage in the future, try reading about a Slavic tribe called the Danubians.
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Old 30th May 2003, 12:59
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A Slavic tribe called Danubians? What a funny BS!

Western Ukrainians are not blond. They are just Slavicized Carpathians, yet claim they're true Slavs. Morons...
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