SLAVS UNITE!

[BLap]

I don't see what some of you are talking about. Poland, Slovakia, Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia...all Slavic lands! I'm not completely sure about Lithuania but I wouldn't doubt it. I would assume there would be 'mutts' if you wanted to call them that near the Romania border, but even some Romanian's (who generally aren't Slavs) are not 'mediteranean' in appearance, so it makes you wonder. I keep reading about this west/east Slavic Ukraine thing. Apparently, things must have changed, because all those areas listed above were Slavic. I am Ukrainian and have blond hair, blue eyes...oh wait, I'm a small percentage Slovak and White Russian also from my mother, and she has brown hair and it's b.s. to say that she is not a Slav. The Carpathians go through Slavic lands (with the exception of Romania).

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by BLap
I don't see what some of you are talking about. Poland, Slovakia, Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia...all Slavic lands! I'm not completely sure about Lithuania but I wouldn't doubt it. I would assume there would be 'mutts' if you wanted to call them that near the Romania border, but even some Romanian's (who generally aren't Slavs) are not 'mediteranean' in appearance, so it makes you wonder. I keep reading about this west/east Slavic Ukraine thing. Apparently, things must have changed, because all those areas listed above were Slavic. I am Ukrainian and have blond hair, blue eyes...oh wait, I'm a small percentage Slovak and White Russian also from my mother, and she has brown hair and it's b.s. to say that she is not a Slav. The Carpathians go through Slavic lands (with the exception of Romania).

Blap, our discussion is not too serious and it should not be deadly serious otherwise we could develop some racist theories. It is nice to be a part of a Slavic world and understand Slavic languages a little but it can't be any serious base for Pan-Slavism. On the other hand, Hitler knew that Poles are genetically close to Germans but it did not deter him from killing as many as possible. He made abominable experiments with the children of Zamosc region which is adjacent to Wolyn land. Nazis selected kids who had Nordic looks(blond hair, blue eyes etc.), they sent their parents to concentration camps and abducted children to Germany.

[Volodya987]

Most lands have several politics. Natives, and one, or several, waves of "Foreign Si(a)t-Ins."
Similarly, Zbizek, the Japanese, having been taught the "economic advantages" of "flat points, sharp points, rub it out and do it again", by "The British", invaded Manchuria and did the same thing to THEIR relatives.
You've pointed out exactly why "Cap It All" ism, and its training ground - competative sport - are inherently evil.

[BLap]

I'm new posting here, so thanks for the info. I personally don't see why there is so much tension between Russians and Ukrainians since our origins are the same. Quite honestly, here in the US there are so many who do know know what Ukraine is, which leaves me to say 'It's Russia', and even then, I'm surprised they know what Russia is. I am the pro-Slavic type, I believe we should show some form of unity I know it probably sounds racist, but we need to help out our own

I have noticed that many Russians do not consider Ukraine or Belarus to be 'real' countries, that they are still part of the Russias (which I do take as a compliment, saying we are one of their own). Likewise, I've noticed many Ukes (I'm not one of them) being very anti-Russian, which I don't believe is the fault of the people, but because of the Soviet tyranny. I'm really cheering for these countries to get back on their feet, as I'd hate to see people have growing support again for a government that brainwashed them with propaganda and gave them lives barely making by in life.

[Ukronian]

Blap, I agree with you about how some ukrainians are very Anti-Russian, that it is not their fault really, western Ukraine I have heard is Anti-Russian, but that is not really their fault, after being taken over by Poland, then joining up with the rest of Ukraine again, then being taken over by Poland again, then being annexed into the Soviet Union, that must have been very rough for them, you would not really be happy with them would you?

[BLap]

I am mainly shocked at comment saying brown haired Ukrainians are not true Slavs and the whole 'Slavicized Carpathians' thing. The first Slavic empire was based out of Kiev/Kyiv, which is in Western Ukraine, or at least what I consider Western Ukraine Should I give credence to these comments? What next, I'm a MONGOL? Or else, because I have blonde hair/blue eyes, I'm a VIKING? This makes my head spin...

[Zbyszek]

Hi Blap, I think you can't have an established opinion on your place on the Earth without plunging into history┘ You have to realize that Ukraine was (un)fortunate to have too fertile lands to be overlooked by the powerful neighbours. I could compare it to the Wild West of America. Luckily, Slavs living there were not treated as harshly as Indians. Russian or Polish rule of Ukraine was a drama but the full scale Mongol invasion in the XIIIth century was a real disaster and a source of the most serious troubles. The strong federalist-minded Kievan state being once a partner for medieval Poland became disintegrated and became as easy prey of the Mongols and then of The Grand Duchy of Lithuania which after uniting with Poland formed an adequate rival for Muscovy. Not only the cruelty of the skew-eyed invaders but sheer cultural gap was something so hard to accept.
As a result, Western Ukraine became a Gordian Knot of nationalities which was finally cut by Stalin. If you look at the PL-UA borderline, you can easily see traces of Stalin' s chop. From historic perspective, it was not a bad solution. Otherwise it could have ended like in former Yugoslavia. I know that Ukrainians consider themselves true Slavs and even if their hair is generally a little darker, they are proud of their Slavic heritage.
Moreover, you need to realize that the level of national awareness was really very low until the XIXth century which can be called a Century of Nationalisms. In the XVIIth century it was correct to say: I am a Pole born in Ukraine to describe a Ukrainian living in Western Ukraine under the rule of Rzeczpospolita. The word 'Pole' had no nationalist flavour of today. It sometimes denoted religion. Orthodox believers were called Rusyns or Greeks while Catholics were called Latinners. It seems those times were more Slavic-oriented.