russia and ukraine, get back together!

[ricardo]

Yeah yeah! Heard all of that before! and nothing happened.
Russia has had more than enough time to experiment with Ukraine and nothing much was ever done and now Russians are desperate for Ukraine to be at par with Russia for only ten years of "independence" (no quite). Russians are best adviced to first put their own house in order before pretending to tidy their neighbour's house
For the life of mine I don't understand why Ukraine has to go on catching a cold when Russia sneezes
If you want to talk politics do it from a and even playing field and don't just pretend to patronise us taking the high moral ground.
And I'm not anti Russian but I feel that some people throw very low punches so I feel to reply in kind

[Jarema]

Originally posted by Andrej
I would contribute but I think "The_Last_Word" has said it all. The radicals are always the most outspoken but are usually in the minority. I have been to Ukraine and all I remeber is twice as many Babushkas along the rail road. Ukraine needs at least 10-20 years to catch up to Russia alone, assuming it grows at very fast rates. Ukraine needs to focus on economy and nothing else, because without money all their nationalistic crap means nothing. They owe so much money to Russia that the Black Sea Fleet pays its rent with the energy debt.

Oh YES - bring it on baby !

Lets merge Belarus, Ukraine and Russia - with Oleksandr Lukashenka as the Leader. We will have a wonderful East-Slavic paradise with Russian as the "state" language.

This will surely solve a few problems and get rid of this thing called Ukrainian language which will have the status of a 'local dialect'.

(just being ironic !)

[The_Last_Word]

So, if Russia hasn't done much to "experiment" with the Ukraine, what are you worried about?
Why do you say that "Russians are desperate..."? Russia's house is in better order than Ukraine's. It's actually Ukraine which is desperate to uphold its "independence," in danger of falling under Russian and Polish-Western influences, in view of the deep differences within its own society.
Some Ukrainians don't realize that more than half of today's Ukraine is actually Russia, incorporated into the Ukrainian SSR by the Bolsheviks. You know which regions I am talking about. Therefore, the problem is that of Ukrainization of Russian regions, not Russification. Ukrainian refugees and colonists were always welcome to settle in Russia's new lands, however, it doesn't mean those lands became part of another state waiting to become independent.
In its 10 years of independence, Ukraine has produced nothing good for its citizens. Instead of allowing the people to decide what they want in their country, the state imposed its own ultranationalistic-apartheid views, a dominant mandatory language and state-appointed officials. Egged on by some minority local group within the country Kiev is imposing a cultural-linguistic egalitarianism on the masses.
Is this a "low punch" for you?

Originally posted by ricardo
Yeah yeah! Heard all of that before! and nothing happened.
Russia has had more than enough time to experiment with Ukraine and nothing much was ever done and now Russians are desperate for Ukraine to be at par with Russia for only ten years of "independence" (no quite). Russians are best adviced to first put their own house in order before pretending to tidy their neighbour's house
For the life of mine I don't understand why Ukraine has to go on catching a cold when Russia sneezes
If you want to talk politics do it from a and even playing field and don't just pretend to patronise us taking the high moral ground.
And I'm not anti Russian but I feel that some people throw very low punches so I feel to reply in kind

[The_Last_Word]

Originally posted by Jarema
Oh YES - bring it on baby !

I'll let Andrej respond, but I don't think you got anything in you.

Lets merge Belarus, Ukraine and Russia - with Oleksandr Lukashenka as the Leader. We will have a wonderful East-Slavic paradise with Russian as the "state" language.

Lukashenko is old news.
You can muse over him on beer night with Western diplomats.
Putin and Russia are actually waiting for him to vacate the presidency before doing any merging.

I don't think your "paradise" could be built if people like you are included. States usually merge for different reasons, but making a paradise was never on any list.

More than half of Ukrainians already want to be in union with Russia, so I guess that makes you a minority, and your opinion means very little.

This will surely solve a few problems and get rid of this thing called Ukrainian language which will have the status of a 'local dialect'.
(just being ironic !)

"Local dialect" is all it ever was. Don't fool yourself.

You know Ukrainian is only a mixture of Russian and Polish.
Sure, modern Russian also changed somewhat, but not more than it did in the Ukraine. Even the great Gogol wrote in Russian.
Today, it is actually Ukraine who is zealously trying to get rid of Russian spoken by two thirds of its population. It's the Russian language that has to be protected and preserved.

[ricardo]

This is my last word to you!
I hate ultranationalist from both sides of the debate, they just don't make sense one way or another and you just happen to be one of them. You arguments are poor and unsustainable for it you find no reason for Ukraine to be independent and Russia for good or bad is the mother country. I find your views totally baseless and pointless. You also better argue this point at Russia.com

[The_Last_Word]

Originally posted by ricardo
This is my last word to you!
I hate ultranationalist from both sides of the debate, they just don't make sense one way or another and you just happen to be one of them. You arguments are poor and unsustainable for it you find no reason for Ukraine to be independent and Russia for good or bad is the mother country. I find your views totally baseless and pointless. You also better argue this point at Russia.com

Umm... Yeah, whatever.

[Lubov]

Take it easy, ricardo, there are nutcases on both sides, The_Last_Word happens to be one of those on the Russian side. Don't you see that he is trying to envoke rage in you? It is foolish to entangle oneself in debates with bigots of any kind. They are like harnessed race horses. You see what they see plus what you see, and they only see their tiny part of the world and have no clue what you are talking about. It is definitely a matter of the opennes of the mind.