russia and ukraine, get back together!

[zhuk]

All his brutality in june- october 1648. It may be promised to him, cause his residence in Lubny (the best european style palace and castle, splendid artworks, italian masters sculptures, library, catholic monastery) and its defenders- all their massacred and put to fire and sword.
there is a detailed description of the massacre.
Most civilian families, women and children, priests in they celebrating dresses were slaughtered, when they pleaded to life and opend the gates of the castle of Lubny, while be promised to be left alive.
In the end of 19th century, while building a road there were found hundreds of human bones of those, massacred by cossacks.
Cossacks who had taken the castle had their leader named VOVGUR.
It means in our language something like Werewolf.
Up to 19th century there were legends about mistical terror of this cossack leader.
I think it was suit to him to be paled high.
And the next reason - it was a standard official death penalty for the murderes and traitors.

[Andrej]

Indeed, we as a people have more in common than otherwise. I think my signature is a represenation of who I am, not of the orientation of my views. I put my own face in my own signature, something many people dare not. I have nothing to hide, then again I have nothing to give to a Ukranian nationalist. He may dream, wish, hate and scorn, in the end he will leave with nothing.

I think today, all our peoples have nothing to gain from the hatred within our hearts. Funny how its always the people that to the rest of the world seem so alike, see each other in such a different perspective. I have heard Turks calling Arabs brown, Bulgarians fighting with Macedonians. I always come with an open mind, but you will get no pitty from me.

Those who dare to dream question the sacred geometry of chance...

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by Andrej
Indeed, we as a people have more in common than otherwise. I think my signature is a represenation of who I am, not of the orientation of my views. I put my own face in my own signature, something many people dare not.

Andrej, I hope you were not hurt by my small indirect critical remark concerning your signature. Your explanation sounds sincere to me. I also think people have more in common that they would ever like to admit.
Maybe my question concerning your credo would be too personal, but it looks you display a Slavic sadness.
It reminds me one of the Polish film directors, Krzysztof Zanussi who made a very good film entitled "Life as a deadly disease disseminated by sexual manner" (my translation may be not quite accurate). I would conclude otherwise " Death as a temporary silence to be conquered by the everlasting life". Regards.

[Andrej]

Certainly not hurt, Im somewhat tired though, of arguments, hate and ignorance and common misunderstanding. Today I was called and I quote 'obdurate filthy slav', how can I reason with a man with so much prejudice in his heart. Its so easy to slander 300 million people, but so hard to make any sense of it.

As for my credo, we all know the unquestionable truths, what we make of them is another question. I am a man of no religion, although believing in god is nother thing. Your conclusion is of a global nature, mine is more relevant to one self.

[The_Last_Word]

I also think there is more in common between Russians and Ukrainians and their languages than some tend to believe.

The biggest problems is that the farther foreceful Ukrainization goes in the Ukraine the less in common these people will have as a result. The purpose of Ukrainization is to split people and tear them apart, it is the prevailance of care for the nation rather than care for human rights of the country's citizens and their wishes.

[Andrej]

It won't be very sucessful. The cultures, languages and lifestiles are too similar. There is a difference in making a person speak German or Spanish over Russian, he could get used to that, but enforcing a very similar language would be extremely hard. In any case its never as bad as we tend to hear. It must be said that the Russian language will be a part of Ukranian life in the forseeable future, that in itself is not a problem. I think Ukranians should be bi-lingual. You know you hear this so many times, they ask, 'well we all speak Russian, why won't these people have the descency to learn our language'. I can understand that, but look at it this way. When an American comes to live in Lvov he would learn Ukranian out of curteousy and respect, because hes an alien, a foreigner. The situation is not the same when an ethnic Russian was born and raised on this land, why should he have to learn a foreign language just because now he is part of an independant republic, its still his land, the same land it was 10 years ago. I think Ukraine should follows Kazaqstans model and adapt Russian as an official language. It should teach both languages in school. It wouldn't be much of a hassle.

[Oh_no]

On some July day last summer, the Russian service of the Radio Liberty broadcast its programme "New Russian Issues" from Saint Petersburg. The programme was about current complexes of Russians and Ukrainians. Two professors from Saint Petersburg tried to sting Ukraine and Ukrainians in every possible way. That is by saying that Ukraine was formed artificially, that we are no descendants of Kiev Rus: after the Tatar-Mongolian occupation Rusichi went northward to the Vladimir and Suzdal land. Having listened to different and palpably agressive fantasies of the professors the wise radio host Anatoliy Strelianiy made a judgement: Russians and Ukrainians have principally different complexes. Ukrainians are trying to deal with the "dawn of the nation" complex, and Russians are going through the "dusk of the nation" and thus they ar nostalgic about the old times when Russia was the mighty empire. He went on saying something like "the great Russian power came to an end - and so did fall the empire. As painful as it is for us, Russians, it is time to get over the fact and devote ourselves to building our new Russia - and leave our neighbours alone to build their own future based on their own interests".

It is very relieving to hear that there are reasonable people in the neighbourhood believing in peaceful coexistence instead of "empire building".