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Old 19th June 2015, 09:02
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Tony Blair - Seriously?

Poroshenko offers Tony B Liar a job

'A true friend': Ukraine president asks Tony Blair to take on advisory role | World news | The Guardian

This bible thumping megalomaniac was PM here for 10 long years but now, his name is mud. We have suffered, and continue to suffer, from the legacy of his escapades on the world stage.

His decision to go against the wishes of almost everyone in the UK and join Bush's disastrous middle eastern wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is all he is remembered for now.

Many people here consider him a war criminal. Many want him jailed for lying to the government and the people. Many say that the problems we now have with Islamic State are directly linked to Blair's actions.

To top all that off, Russians constantly point to the Blair & Bush illegal wars to claim the west is no better than Russia.

Tony Blair gave away the west's moral high ground and when he'd finally screwed up the world as much as he could, he quit and laughably became a peace envoy to the middle east - surely the biggest joke of all.

He's just quit that role, a role he held during some of the worst violence seen in the middle east and now he wants to "help" Ukraine?

Avoid guys, no good can come of it. The man is toxic.
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Old 19th June 2015, 14:26
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I would not be terribly concerned re Blair, as he is on the speech-making circuit, pocketing €200,000 per appearance and doing nothing on a voluntary/free basis.
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Tony Blair speaks at Putin's 'vanity forum'... and considers a job with Ukraine

Tony Blair appears at St Petersburg International Econonomic Forum, hours after he is offered a post advising the President of Ukraine
Matthew Holehouse, Ljubljana THE TELEGRAPH 6/18/2015

Tony Blair, the former Prime Minister, appeared to be courting both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict as he appeared at Vladimir Putin’s “vanity summit”, hours after being offered a job by the government of Kiev.

Mr Blair this morning appeared alongside Russian bankers and government ministers at the St Petersburg Economic Forum, a pet project of Vladimir Putin modelled on the World Economic Forum in Davos.

The forum, designed to put a modern, dynamic face on Russia’s ailing economy, has been avoided in recent years by Western companies at the encouragement of the British and US governments following the annexation of Ukraine.

Mr Blair told an audience of Russian businessmen how they could improve their performance by following the lessons of his delivery unit, which he introduced in Downing Street to speed up school and hospital reforms. He did not comment on the occupation of Ukraine, or on the sanctions that followed.

His unannounced visit to Putin’s hometown came hours after Petro Poroshenko, the Ukrainian president, announced he had offered Mr Blair a role on his advisory committee.

Mr Poroshenko hailed Mr Blair as a “true friend of Ukraine”, the president's office said in a statement.

It continued: “In his turn, Tony Blair expressed firm support for Ukraine, its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity. ‘You are now facing great challenges in the spheres of security and reforms,’ he said.

“The British politician emphasized that the world community had a great desire to support Ukraine and asked the President what practical international assistance was necessary for Ukraine.

“Petro Poroshenko invited Tony Blair to share his experience of public administration within the Advisory International Council of Reforms under the President of Ukraine.”

Mr Blair appeared on stage in St Petersburg in a session hosted by Herman Gref, the chief executive of Sberbank, an entity which has been hit by US sanctions in response to the annexation of Crimea and the presence of Russian troops and tanks in eastern Ukraine.

Mikhail Abyzov, a Russian businessman and government minister, and Alexei Kudrin, the former finance minister, sat alongside him.

The session, entitled “Crisis Mitigation Policies: The Need for Government Reform”, took an awkward turn after Mr Gref conducted an anonymous electronic poll of the audience as to whether they felt Russia was capable of economic reform. They voted against, by a margin of two to one, to quiet laughter. Mr Gref made clear he disagreed.

His appearance in the region gives a tantalising indication of where Mr Blair’s interests may now lie.

His network of business interests, clients and contacts already stretches across the world, providing advice to an oil firm in Saudi Arabia, JP Morgan Chase Bank in the US, and governments in Kazakhstan, Romania and Mongolia. He has built up extensive network of contacts in China.

Travel documents seen by the Telegraph show one trip in February 2012 saw the former PM take in Israel, UAE, Qatar, China and Kazakhstan in a single week, while conducting a mixture of charity work and private business.

A spokesman for the former Prime Minister said: "Mr Blair participated on a panel talking about the need for government reform.

"He discussed leading reform programmes and improving the delivery of public services, having established the Delivery Unit while Prime Minister and worked on the issue of governance since leaving office. He received no fee."

On Ukraine, the spokesman added: “The President asked him to join his reform council yesterday on a voluntary basis, but no decisions have been made at this stage." Tony Blair speaks at Putin's 'vanity forum'... and considers a job with Ukraine - Telegraph

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Old 19th June 2015, 16:44
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Yes, he does tour the world picking up fees for opening his mouth. He has to travel because here he'd be paid more just to shut the hell up!

I hear what you say about "voluntary" but we're talking about a guy who can't resist playing war.
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Old 25th June 2015, 18:40
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Poroshenko offers Tony B Liar a job

'A true friend': Ukraine president asks Tony Blair to take on advisory role | World news | The Guardian

This bible thumping megalomaniac was PM here for 10 long years but now, his name is mud. We have suffered, and continue to suffer, from the legacy of his escapades on the world stage.

His decision to go against the wishes of almost everyone in the UK and join Bush's disastrous middle eastern wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is all he is remembered for now.

Many people here consider him a war criminal. Many want him jailed for lying to the government and the people. Many say that the problems we now have with Islamic State are directly linked to Blair's actions.

To top all that off, Russians constantly point to the Blair & Bush illegal wars to claim the west is no better than Russia.

Tony Blair gave away the west's moral high ground and when he'd finally screwed up the world as much as he could, he quit and laughably became a peace envoy to the middle east - surely the biggest joke of all.

He's just quit that role, a role he held during some of the worst violence seen in the middle east and now he wants to "help" Ukraine?

Avoid guys, no good can come of it. The man is toxic.
LOL! Poroshenko is a hero on this site. HE can do no wrong. What an idiot...hiring a war criminal and just ask Brits what they think of this guy and keeping the peace (Middle East peace envoy).

It's good, though. The more this happens, it's good for Ukrainians. If enough open their eyes and finally recognize that their government is making their country a puppet state, hopefully, things can get the better. Not Russia with the control this time but the USA/EU etc. etc. It's good news.
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Old 25th June 2015, 19:28
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Ukrainians and Americans (and rossiski trolls ) who think reforms are proceeding too slowly must get a grip on themselves and their expectations. For starters, reforms are taking place. Substantial macroeconomic stabilization has been achieved—no small feat. Decentralization is about to be introduced, while the budgets of local governing bodies have already been increased. New police patrols are about to take to the streets in a few cities. No less important, painful measures have been implemented without undermining Ukraine’s democratic procedures. Supporters of faster reform forget that democracy is generally incompatible with vastly unpopular change. That Ukraine has managed to promote reform while transitioning to a post-Yanukovych democracy (and fighting a ruinous war!) is almost miraculous. Promoters of “big bangs” should remember that the greater and faster the reforms, the greater the concentration of political power, and the greater the likelihood of authoritarian rule.

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Old 26th June 2015, 10:49
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Well said Hannia as usual.

Ukraine needs inspirational leaders who can spell out honestly what the pain & costs of change will be but why it will be well worth it in the end.

Poland is a shining example over the border but the Polish transformation from impoverished post-soviet mess to one of the leading countries in the EU took 20 years.

Poroshenko & Yatsenyuk are looking to achieve this much more quickly but have the huge disadvantage. Poland's transition took place while Russia was on its knees and powerless to stop it.

Putin is pulling all the strings he can to crush Ukraine's aspiration.
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Old 27th June 2015, 03:12
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Promoters of “big bangs” should remember that the greater and faster the reforms, the greater the concentration of political power, and the greater the likelihood of authoritarian rule.
+1. And we're talking about reforms that need to take place in every corner of Ukraine. Heard someone on a radio program the other day, don't completely agree but he said something to the effect that everyone needs to change the way they operate, from the cleaning lady to the president.
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