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Old 8th March 2001, 16:53
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Approaching a decade, this August, since gaining independence, WHERE IS UKRAINE HEADING?

Having observed the travails of Ukraine, over the last ten years, one can begin to abhor the dismal prospects for Ukraine's future. At all levels, and in all spheres, the Nation as a whole, INTERNALLY failed to show any promising marks for survival. The qualifier, 'internally', is amphasized for a good reason - surprisingly, the external indicators are less ominous.

The theme of Ukraine's future, cast in such gloomy terms, may repel an average reader - instead, it {the theme} should be all the more compelling, if one truly has the wellbeing of Ukraine at heart.


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Old 13th March 2001, 02:12
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Thumbs up reflections...

Taras Shevchenko anniversary came and passed. Any special thoughts? Any linkage ideas to the present, other than the sensationalism provoked by the protesters' incursion on Kuchma's homage paying visit to the poet's monument?

If there aren't any {linkage ideas} - there should be, at least, a few. After all, Shevchenko, in his visionary's role, spoke to us all, the contemporaries of him and 'THOSE YET UNBORN'.

Paraphrasing his poetic cry, on two occasions: {1} ...love your pilfered Ukraine... {2} ...embrace the neediest among you...

Present, beloved Ukraine is being pilfered by its own rulers. Present Ukraine rulers strip the needy masses, who genuinely love Ukraine, of their means of earning livelihood, by mercilessly emptying the coffers packed with borrowed riches.

The 'rulers', referenced here, are not merely those at the top, but they can be found at all layers and every sphere of social fabric.
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Old 16th March 2001, 22:23
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Thumbs up Shevchenko Legacy

Taras Shevchenko's life was brief {1814-1861}, but his legacy shall live forever. His stature is not great because of his creative mind alone. His vision, born of the intellectual genius of his mind, was able to capture and assess the potential and the weaknesses of the {Ukrainian} nation, based on events concurrent to him and those not yet lived.


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Old 17th March 2001, 08:55
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I'm not trying to be offensive but from what I have heard about your leader Leonid Kuchma, he seems to befrieding all of the old Hardline Communists. Not saying anything but he seems to be going into the same direction the Dracula of Belrus is sliding into. **When I meant Dracula a blood sucking Dictator** This means with Kuchma you will not have a radiant Capitalist future. It will be more likely a red radiant future with sanctions and very big restrictions on economy just like back in the good ol' days of the Soviet Union.

It's rather weird since Ukraine has gained independence from the Soviet Russia and communism but now they are going back into those same impossible and dreadful times.

Hopefully the maniac will not lost long in office before he can create an upheavel!

Let's hope it works!
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Old 17th March 2001, 22:45
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Thumbs up the core problem

In my estimation - the PROBLEM in Ukraine, these days, goes beyond the alleged communist leanings, nostalgia or party. If that was the case alone, the solution might be considerably less evasive.

What we have is a manyfold degeneration of leadership and society. Manyfold, meaning at all levels, and in all spheres. The corruption has permeated the whole society - top to bottom, and in government circles plus in the society, as a whole. There is no best place to start a recovery or a remedy.

The best, but not the most practical, solution would be to dissolve everything, and start from the very beginning. As it is now, without purging all the governmental and all the public institutions - the situation appears hopeless.



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Old 18th March 2001, 00:45
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Re: the core problem


Norym
What is needed is some strong popular leader who will take the whole country into some shock terapy treamnent,and to this transformetions of economy as fast as posible ,like Poles did in 90 and Lithuania and other later on .Is painfull but fast ,but for that you need populations witch will understand and wont strike and revolte every second week .
Not sure if that will work in your country ,hopefuly could.
The present leaders wont go for that,they are still patching the old systme with the new one and afraid to make bold moves.
I guess elections should be the time to send them to for retaiment. But the problem in Ukrain is lack of political awerness of populations at large,lack of good leaders who could come fwd.and explain to people well what need to be done ,convince them somehow then there is few options only left,time is running and more bad times ahead more nastolagia for old Soviet times ,witch is denger for loosing independence ,easy to make mistakes in that.
Big brother is waiting for some discomfort of that nature.
Good relations with Poland and the rest of western nighboors a must in curent situations.
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Old 18th March 2001, 00:51
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