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Old 26th October 2014, 21:48
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Has Putin shot himself in the foot?

By chopping off Crimea and invading South Eastern Ukraine, Putin removed 5 million of the most pro-Russian Ukrainian citizens from the electorate.

According to exit polls, Pro-EU/West parties have gobbled up at least 70% of the vote with support for the communists and more pro-Russian parties virtually disappearing.

The result is, by far, the most pro West, pro-EU government Ukraine has ever had with pro-Russian voices parliament being so few that Petro & friends will be able to pass virtually anything practically unopposed.

Putin has won a succession of battles in the East and Crimea and made the West appear slow, weak and indecisive but when you step back from the day-to-day headlines and consider the big picture and Putin's primary aims, namely:

1. Keep Ukraine out of an EU free trade area and the EU itself
2. Bring Ukraine into his Eurasian Union

It appears that Putin has scored a succession of own goals and driven Ukrainians away. It's now absolutely unimaginable that Ukraine could ever abandon its Western aspirations and join a union with Russia and its dictatorship friends.

Hell, if Ukraine conducted a referendum today on joining NATO, it would likely pass - a year ago that was not the case. So what has the last year of minor victories and the thousands of corpses actually achieved for Putin? How have his plans for a grand Eurasian Union advanced?

Somehow, I think that if Putin had kept himself entirely out of any involvement in the Ukraine conflicts and worked in the background instead with his propaganda machine and network of puppets in Kiev, his key goals might not seem quite so distant and a few thousand people would not have lost their lives needlessly.
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Old 27th October 2014, 02:01
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I agree that Putin was very reckless. His Ukraine gambit is turning out not to be the catwalk he thought it would be.

Ukraine's army, although ill-equipped and poorly armed, managed to put up a fierce fight. There were/are major casualties on both sides.

A rift emerged among separatist forces in the Donbas.

The fallout at the intl level is turning into Putin's personal hell. The last scraps of credibility Russia had as a member of the UN Security Council and world power are shot.

Russian markets and the rouble have been shaken, resulting in massive capital outflows, now estimated up to $70 billion in the first quarter alone, compared with $63 billion in the whole of last year. A severe recession is under way.

Sanctions - Effects on Russian Economy
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Old 27th October 2014, 14:01
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Putin did not invide anything. There is not Russian Army Forces in Doneck And Luhansk.

Ukrainians just need excuse for embarrassment in military campaign.

Crimea is Russian and was given to Ukraine by KHruscev.

It was given to Ukraine not to Banderistan.

As today Ukraine turned to BAnderistan, so gift called Crimea went back to Russia.

Absolute justice!

By the way, majority of Crimea people want to live in Russia and what right Ukraine has to force them to live under oppression of Ukrainian nationalists and neonazies.
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Old 27th October 2014, 14:59
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Putin did not invide anything. There is not Russian Army Forces in Doneck And Luhansk.
Russia admits its soldiers have been caught in Ukraine.
Issue of captured soldiers to be discussed at meeting between Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart on Tuesday afternoon.
Russia admits its soldiers have been caught in Ukraine | World news | theguardian.com

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It was given to Ukraine not to Banderistan.
Banderistan...no such place, as proven by latest Ukrainian parliamentary elections.
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Absolute justice!

Russia wanted to play w/the big boys and be an important world leader, so it signed Budapest Referendum. Remember?

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By the way, majority of Crimea people want to live in Russia

Why don't indigenous people like Tartar exist in your equation?

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what right Ukraine has to force them to live under oppression of Ukrainian nationalists and neonazies.

Once the Kremlin pulls the financial plug on Crimea, Crimean Russians will know true oppression. They will be begging for life's necessities like water and food.

As per Moscow Times: Finance Minister: Russia Needs Backup Budget For Worst-Case Scenario | Business | The Moscow Times
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I would think a forum like this one deserves better quality propagandists.
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Old 27th October 2014, 15:50
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I agree that Putin was very reckless. His Ukraine gambit is turning out not to be the catwalk he thought it would be.

Ukraine's army, although ill-equipped and poorly armed, managed to put up a fierce fight. There were/are major casualties on both sides.

A rift emerged among separatist forces in the Donbas.

The fallout at the intl level is turning into Putin's personal hell. The last scraps of credibility Russia had as a member of the UN Security Council and world power are shot.

Russian markets and the rouble have been shaken, resulting in massive capital outflows, now estimated up to $70 billion in the first quarter alone, compared with $63 billion in the whole of last year. A severe recession is under way.

Sanctions - Effects on Russian Economy

About Crimea and East Ukraine: I see that Russian point of view is that Russia is everywhere any Russian was at least once (including vacations). I don't see any real difference between putin Russia and Hitler Germany. Language is different but way of thinking exactly the same.

Current situation potentially can be very dangerous for whole Ukraine, other putin targets and of course ..Russia. In the case of possible economic collapse, SU case may occur.
Putin will do everything to save... himself of course! He will support army, special forces, milice (renamed to police lately), spies, straighten law, control medias at the expense of poor citizens (about which live he doesn't care at all) so poverty and economic backwardness seems to be natural consequence of that.
Of course he will continue saying to his slaves, what they are supposed to think and punish them in any case of disobedience or dissatisfaction.
As Stalin used to say, "Russia needs a tsar", "we have enough people" and "death of one man is a tragedy, death of a million is only a statistic". Putin will modify some "statistics" for sure.
Not living in Russia is a great luck!
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Old 27th October 2014, 15:54
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Lol @ Davor!

Sorry dude, you must have mistaken us for gullible fools.

Russia invaded Ukraine when it became clear that trying to win by stealth was failing. Nobody believes Russia's claim of innocence except for Russians who get their news from state run media.

The sooner ordinary Russians wake up to the manipulations, half-truths, lies of their own regime and conduct their own revolution, the better for them and everyone living near them.
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Old 27th October 2014, 18:25
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lol @ davor!

Sorry dude, you must have mistaken us for gullible fools.

Russia invaded ukraine when it became clear that trying to win by stealth was failing. Nobody believes russia's claim of innocence except for russians who get their news from state run media.

The sooner ordinary russians wake up to the manipulations, half-truths, lies of their own regime and conduct their own revolution, the better for them and everyone living near them.


+1000 Amazing that trolls could actually expect anyone to believe any of this tripe.
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