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Old 27th September 2014, 11:39
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Often quoted on these forums is the site The Interpreter.
I took a few minutes to have a look at this site.

From the site itself
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The Interpreter, which was launched in 2013, was made possible by a seed grant from the London-based Herzen Foundation and a grant from the New York-based Institute of Modern Russia, of which the journal is a special project.
The Herzen Foundation icon, recently removed from the Interpreter page, leads us to http://www.herzen.org.uk/index.html which is a dead link.
In the Wayback Machine site the Herzen Foundation in London existed online in May 2013. So apparently, the org. no longer exists in Britain. This is the introduction to their long-lost site.
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Herzen Foundation is a United Kingdom charity trust organisation operating under the umbrella of CAF (Charities Aid Foundation)
The Foundation was established in 2011 with the main objective to support democratic transformation of Russia.
It is named after Aleksandr Ivanovich Herzen (1812–1870) a prominent Russian pro-western writer and thinker who has spent a large part of his life in exile in the UK. His autobiography “My Past and Thoughts” was one of the transformational books of his era in Russia. Herzen was largely responsible for creating the political climate in Russia, which lead to the emancipation of the serfs in 1861.
Thus, we see the founder was an Aleksandr Ivanovich Herzen who Wikipedia calls the "father of Russian socialism". It is also noted there is a Herzen Foundation in the Netherlands.


From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Herzen
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Although a self-avowed Russian socialist Herzen was not adverse to getting close to James de Rothschild and his "the big money". Rothschild helped him (a socialist remember) a lot with his capitalist ventures.
For ref see: Toronto Slavic Quarterly: Derek Offord - Alexander Herzen and James de Rothschild

As mentioned in the introduction the other org. which supports The Interpreter is the....
Institute of Modern Russia .
The Institute of Modern Russia (IMR) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy organization—a think tank based in New York. IMR's mission is to foster democratic and economic development in Russia through research, advocacy, public events, and grant-making.

According to Karel van Wolferen
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"Foreign-funded think tanks do not exist for thinking, but for peddling policies in line with the beliefs of the funders that they, not wanting to learn from recent experience, dogmatically assume are good for anyone at any time."
We next see that the president of this org. is none other than PAVEL KHODORKOVSKY, the son of the criminal Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the notorious Jewish Russian oligarch who was imprisoned by Vladimir Putin for a decade or more. No doubt the son, like the father, hates Putin's guts which sort of explains why he seeks to blame modern Russia wherever he can.

So what do we know?
- Putin has freed Russia of some of the worst excesses of oligarchs like Khodorkovsky who made their stash by devious means at the time of Yeltsin.
- Very recently another one of these unsavoury types Vladimir Yevtushenkov has been house arrested.
- Though not a Russian there is another one Yulia Tymoshenko.
- Coincidence, oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine who don't like Putin.
- Khodorkovsky & Tymoshenko always got lots of sympathetic coverage in the Western media about political repression in Russia. (I wonder why? ) Most probably Yevtushenkov will get sympathetic Western coverage too.
- BTW Khodorkovsky has also got a website detailing his meddling in eastern politics. Maybe he wants to be the next Kremlin chef. LOL

My nose detects a rather evil smell of organizations founded by Russian exiles with an axe to grind who attempt to politically destabilize Russia. Why is it that one member of the forum is continuously feeding us a dirge of anti-Russian propaganda from The Interpreter?
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Old 27th September 2014, 15:13
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- Putin has freed Russia of some of the worst excesses of oligarchs like Khodorkovsky who made their stash by devious means at the time of Yeltsin.
Balderdash... Perhaps you'd care to examine the careers of Igor Sechin and Alexei Millar? Ever head of st. petersburg immobilien und beteiligungs ag aka SPAG or the 'Second Siege of Leningrad' that these fine oligarchs created with Putin?

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- Very recently another one of these unsavoury types Vladimir Yevtushenkov has been house arrested.
The only thing that is 'unsavoury' about Yevtushenkov is that he owns an oil company which Comrade Sechin needs to keep Rosneft afloat having asked for $41bn in loans from the state... Answer was "go steal some cash from Yevtushenkov instead."
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Old 27th September 2014, 18:40
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Siefert: My nose detects a rather evil smell of organizations founded by Russian exiles with an axe to grind who attempt to politically destabilize Russia. Why is it that one member of the forum is continuously feeding us a dirge of anti-Russian propaganda from The Interpreter?


Pavel Khodorkovsky, President (His father plans on running for President of Russia against Uncle Vova.)

Pavel Khodorkovsky is the president of the Institute of Modern Russia, an organization he founded to continue the work his father, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, began through the Open Russia Foundation. The Institute of Modern Russia seeks to promote the development of civil society in Russia by reinforcing the rule of law and strengthening relationships between Russia and other countries. Since his father’s arrest in 2003, Khodorkovsky has been unable to return to Russia for fear of political persecution and actions against him aimed at pressuring his father to abandon his legal battle. Khodorkovsky holds a degree in business administration from Babson College. In 2011, he cofounded Enertiv, a cleantech energy monitoring company.

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Old 27th September 2014, 21:30
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Operating a fake news channel to promote state propaganda comes with considerable intrinsic problems and contradictions. Propaganda and news reporting have contrary purposes that propagandists carefully work to obscure by various means. That’s the art of propaganda: blurring the line between reality and BS, creating false equivalencies between the two, and implicitly arguing that the BS is superior. That’s easy for the propagandist when he can cherry-pick what he covers and restrict the information that enters into the conversation. But occasionally events overtake the propagandist’s ability to control the message. The mask slips, and he is revealed as being what he was all along: a craftsman of untruths.

That’s exactly what’s happened very suddenly and clearly yesterday at Russia’s RT news agency. As the wreckage of MH17 burned in the streets and yards of a small town in Donetsk Region in Ukraine, and as the bodies of its 298 passengers and crew lay where they were strewn, unburied and still warm, the people at RT and other Russian propaganda outlets rushed to fill the void between rapidly unfolding reality and the needs of those in power in Russia. How could they both present the appearance of reporting while maintaining Putin’s brand?

Under ordinary circumstances, RT can carefully craft their reporting to fit their underlying message, but when a surface-to-air missile downed that plane, this process was exposed and thrown out of control.

In the morning, as their video showed the smoking wreckage of MH17, RT repeatedly aired two sound clips from two interviews: one with an anonymous witness who off-handedly claimed that he saw the SAM launched from a Ukrainian army position, and another with an anonymous Russian military expert who asserted that the Ukrainian military must have downed the plane. The expert based this conclusion not on any particular knowledge of the facts concerning the shoot-down, but on his assessment of the Ukrainian military as being “inept”. These two clips were repeatedly played on Thursday morning, at least once every 15 minutes.

British journalist Neil Clark was interviewed at length to the effect that the separatists lack the capability to shoot down this plane, that there is “a strong likelihood that Ukraine was responsible”, and, regardless, “ultimate responsibility lies with those who started conflict”. He concluded by implying that Malaysia Airlines was somehow at fault, declaring “I would not travel on Malaysian Airways, would you after this? To lose two planes in 6 months is quite astonishing, quite incredible. Of course we still don’t know what happened to the earlier plane, people are talking about cover-ups there.”

Meanwhile, on Twitter, RT’s chief political analyst Mark Sleboda, issued this bit of paranoia masquerading as political analysis:

As the morning progressed, the idea of portraying this as the Ukrainians deliberately framing Russia with a false flag must have worn thin for the people at RT. It’s one thing to promote paranoid conspiracy theories in privacy to an audience primed to believe such things, as RT generally does, but it’s quite another to expose such clearly delusional thinking to a broader public. So RT came up with another conspiracy theory, one equally implausible and arguably just as paranoid. They began to report that the shooting was a failed Ukrainian attempt to assassinate Putin.
RT claimed, both on-air and on their website, that Putin’s plane had flown over Donetsk at about the same time as MH17, and that the Ukrainian military had accidentally struck MH17 with a SAM intended for Putin.
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Old 27th September 2014, 21:31
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As evidence, RT repeatedly showed photos of the two planes and commented at length about the fact that they were painted similar colors. For those who believe that a jet flying at 30,000 feet would be targeted by a modern military visually and not by radar, such arguments may be convincing. The people behind RT seemed to think so yesterday. Today that article has vanished from their website and their on-air reporters have stopped talking about it. (The theory involving the color of Putin’s plane gets only a brief mention on the RT website here.) Today, instead, the RT website has an article claiming that Moscow monitors picked up radar from a Ukrainian Buk missile battery in operation in Donetsk before the shoot-down. (Western intelligence agencies and the Ukrainians themselves say that this report is false. The Ukrainian military did not have a BUK M-1 battery in or near Donetsk.)

RT reporters like Sleboda got the memo. This attack wasn’t to be portrayed as a false flag – a deliberate act designed to frame Russia. It was to be portrayed as a failed assassination attempt against Putin. On Twitter, Sleboda and other RT staffers began to push this new party line.
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[QUOTE=Siefert;124901]Often quoted on these forums is the site [I][B][URL="http://www.interpretermag.com



You call it ant-Russian, the facts and reality say it is anti-Kremlin-propaganda.

Your so called facts and propaganda come right out of the Kremlin handbook. Lies and misdirection.
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Old 27th September 2014, 22:04
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Dobko.

GG made an exc suggestion last week. Best to completely disregard all misinformation specialists, starting w/Siefert. They are not worthy of our time. He is not only disrespectful to our forum, but his lies about the Malaysian plane shot down by Putin's
mercenaries, are completely unacceptable. Innocent people (in some cases entire families) were killed w/o rhyme or reason. Siefert continues to cite snake charmers and crystal ball gazers as his propaganda resources , w/o any regard to the extended families of the dead. Even thru the internet, this guy reeks of bad kharma.
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