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Old 11th August 2014, 07:26
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Examples of cooperation and solidarity of Slavs from Baltic to Balkan and Ukraine are numerous. We can work together even better in new Commonwealth.

Gammadion - Zawisza czarny

Serbian ode to the Zawisza Czarny, Black Knight of Garbowo and Sulima (veteran of the Grunwald battle / Germanic Teuton order vs. Poles), greatest Polish hero of all times who gave his noble life for the freedom of us Serbians, his bellowed Racowie. There is the grave and monument to the Zawisza in eastern Serbia, near the Golubac fortress on the banks of Danube river. Zawisha was killed by Turkish invaders, who captured him during the battle and after mutilation beheaded. His head was taken then by the Turks, while Serbs managed to took the body from Turks and buried him near the local spring. Great thanks to the brave Bohater!

Gammadion / razor88 - Zawisza czarny - YouTube

He came to defend our Serbian land
for freedom of Europe he made a stand
a Polish knight came to fight
against turks he brought a light

A noble man with black helmet and shield
was one of the bravest in the battlefield
he rode and fought with his black horse
and cut islamic beasts with no remorse

Black knight - we will always remember
Serbs and Poles - always together!
near the danube you died for us
Black knight - always in our hearts!

he was really one of the best
in hall of heroes now he rests
Polish warrior and Serbian knights
from the skies support our fight!

Zawisza Czarny
Zawisza Czarny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Gammadion - United Swords (Polish & Serbian Brotherhood)

Gammadion - United Swords (Polish & Serbian Brotherhood) - YouTube
Of course we can cooperate in a good cause!
King who died in battle against Turkey is Władysław III Warneńczyk – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia.
Most known and victorious battle against Turkish invaders is Battle of Vienna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Btw. we don't have bad relations with Turkey I think
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Old 11th August 2014, 11:16
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Btw. we don't have bad relations with Turkey I think
well, i suppose, we can eat them
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Old 12th August 2014, 17:58
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In other words Gavrilo proposes another form of USSR.

History teaches us that such super-state cannot survive. USSR collapsed, not because of America and West did this or that, but because such states are not natural. Yugoslavia, Cheoslovakia, they all do not exist any more.

European UNION is a monster who will not last very long. This crisis of EU is not temporary, this is structural crisis of one artificial political beaurocratic creature which is created against all principles of nature. Integrations need to be natural process and very long, this EU is violence against nature and against historical principles. Today, EU turned into poor and pathetic tool of American geopolitical interests, and nothing else.

I really don't understand why are Ukrainians so much in love with this bankrupted EU. And I don't understand what they expect of EU.

EU is doomed sooner or later. So are all such ideas of some Commonwealths.

In Europe only national state can exist. Only exception is Switzerland.

So, Ukrainians after USSR experience probably don't think anything positive about such ideas.

And maybe Ukrainians today don't remember but western part of them had experiencein living together with Poles and Poles also have experience with Ukrainians.

And their inter-ethnic "love" is very well known in both, distant and near past.
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Old 12th August 2014, 20:20
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I really don't understand why are Ukrainians so much in love with this bankrupted EU. And I don't understand what they expect of EU
The EU has certainly experienced a prolonged period of economic stagnation as a result of the botched implementation of the Euro - but to describe the EU as bankrupt in the context of Ukraine is a bit of a joke.

Ukraine would have been completely bankrupted months ago as soon as Russia started its gas games and import bans were it not for billions in aid & loan guarantees from the "bankrupted" EU, US and IMF.

Also, I don't think it's the EU itself that Ukraine is in love with, it's probably just the idea of joining the West, benefiting from EU solidarity funds and, most importantly of all, gaining the self-respect that will that not having to slavishly dance to Moscow's tune will deliver.

With the right reforms, EU membership & good economic management, a decade or 3 from now Ukraine could be a country that wouldn't need to put up with any **** from Moscow.
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Old 13th August 2014, 16:24
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The EU has certainly experienced a prolonged period of economic stagnation as a result of the botched implementation of the Euro - but to describe the EU as bankrupt in the context of Ukraine is a bit of a joke.

Ukraine would have been completely bankrupted months ago as soon as Russia started its gas games and import bans were it not for billions in aid & loan guarantees from the "bankrupted" EU, US and IMF.

Also, I don't think it's the EU itself that Ukraine is in love with, it's probably just the idea of joining the West, benefiting from EU solidarity funds and, most importantly of all, gaining the self-respect that will that not having to slavishly dance to Moscow's tune will deliver.

With the right reforms, EU membership & good economic management, a decade or 3 from now Ukraine could be a country that wouldn't need to put up with any **** from Moscow.
You live in illussions and good luck to you.

And you've been independent for 24 years so I don't know what dance to Moscow's tune you talking about.

All your governments had plan to join EU form 1991 till now. no one of them were pro-Moscow.

MAybe Yanukovich but he was sitting on two chairs.

EU is just nice fairy tale, in reality tool for taking sovereignty from countries like Ukraine.

My country is in EU. Today it is just a colony. You Ukrainians want this, no problems, good luck.

And you will wait for membership long, long time. In the meantime, rich foreigners will take from you all you have and for nothing in exchange.

Like Joe Biden's son. Your oligarchs will get some competition and that's it.

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Old 14th August 2014, 19:06
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Song, in memoriam to Polish Marshal Pilsudski, father of new Commonwealth, who gave hope to us

Polish Patriotic Songs: Biale róże

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdNcH-K2vTU

Golden freedom to Sarmatia! So that our children avoid to be victims of world powers that clash over their heads. No to assimilation by Anglo-Germanics, no to domination by Russia.

Spot this video from the last years massive Polish-Serbian protest in Warsaw. It started as the eruption of Polish solidarity with Serbians over the Kosovo situation (Polish public is massively against partition of Serbia). Then, till the end of protest it also turn to be anti-NATO and EU >>> ``Fu**, fu** NATO pact!`` >>>

Demonstracja Kosowo jest Serbskie, Warsawa, 16 - 02 - 2013

Demonstracja Kosowo jest Serbskie 16 - 02 - 2013 - YouTube

Ukrainians! Brothers and sisters! We are awakening. Soon, there won`t be force to stop us to do something for ourselves, in this chaos that is imposed on us by world powers. We shall answer all of them by restoring Commonwealth.

Dragon shall be summoned once again! Dragon of Sarmatia!

Glory to Visegrad Group! Down with NATO! Down with EU!

Slavija Mati! Sarmatija Besmrtna!
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Old 14th August 2014, 19:26
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Serbian singer and artist Goran Bregovic, phenomenon of Polish musical scene for more then 20 years

This is how cooperation from Balkan to Baltic looks on the example of music. Story about glory of Serbian singer Goran Bregovic in Poland. Take it >>>

Goran Bregović - Kalashnikov (Poznań)

Goran Bregović - Kalashnikov (Poznań 1997) - YouTube

Krzysztof Krawczyk & Goran Bregovic - Moj przyjacielu [Official Music Video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0kgw2kkFnM

Krzysztof Krawczyk & Goran Bregovic - Platna Milosc [Official Music Video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKxbjMfS6bo

Krzysztof Krawczyk & Goran Bregovic - Ojda Ojada [Official Music Video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDswehpLUCY

Kayah & Bregovic;Kayah & Goran Bregovic - Prawy do lewego

Kayah & Bregovic;Kayah & Goran Bregovic - Prawy do lewego - YouTube

Kayah & Bregović - Nie ma, nie ma ciebie

Kayah & Bregović - Nie ma, nie ma ciebie - YouTube
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