Future (chances) of Ukraine

[NZman]

Vovo dude,
this dude hates Ukrainians, Ukraine and anyfing that might have a Ukrainian conection.

You is runnin down a blind ally with him cos he int ever gonna answer a question that means sayin somthin' good about Ukraine.

You has been warned.

Love teh NZman

[V-G]

You are 100% right, this guy is a blind man, who cannot see anything in front of his nose. Not only that he hates everything that has to do with Ukraine... he doesn't believe in Poland either.
I have just read the Economist, and there is an analysis about the future of EU, Poland might get its way through to join, and that should help them to develop, but Bartozsh never believes in anything. He also thinks that it is a good thing, natural to err other people!
Let him alone!

Well talking about Ukraine's future... I think that it will take a while before Ukrainians will be pleased to discuss tomorrow.
NZman, what do you think?

[Bartosz]

Boys, you're true incarnations of the spirit of Renesance: in our hard epoque of the narrow specialisation you discuss easily not only about politics, history and economy, but also psychoanalisys.

Such a good natured fellows like me seat and listen with opened mouth how you discover the deepest secrets of my mind. Congratulations.

Volodia, expected (?) polemics:

"[...]a rise in Unemployment is not a disaster yet[..]" - I guess that fellows from FED haven't read your deep conclusions, because unemployment is one of carefully observed by them indicators. In each state there's a level of unemployment that is dangerous because of growning risk of social unrest. In social unrest I can see nothing constructive, but I agree with you that my opinion could be considered to be controversial.

"[...]frictional as an example for you[...]" - that sounds enigmatically, but also promising. What did you mean?

"[...]what I object to is you eliminating the possibility of its rise, which, I claim, theoretically is possible.[...]" - of course, that it's statistically admittable, as many other eventuallities. But not in the present socio-political conditions.

"[...]Recession a phase of the business cycle characterised by a modest downturn in the level of economic activity (Actual gross national product). [...]" - academic discussions have their needs. I'll trye to comply with yours. Look at that: http://www.stat.gov.pl/english/index.htm . That isn't still recession but serious slow of the economy, which was signaled one year ago by collapse of the car production (in every elementary economy handbook breakdown in the motor industry as indicator of the apartament constructions is interpreted as a manifestation of the incoming crise) .

Previsions of this year growth have already been reduced twice: from 4.5 to 2%. Not so bad as for march.

Development of the economy isn't question of the innate optimism of discutants but the conditions created to stimulate it and the environment. Both mentionned by me factors are defavorable:

1. external conditions
a. High energy carriers prices
b. Sympthoms of the recession in US (why do you think FED lowered som any times in row interest rates? For a fun?)
c. Slow of the economy in Western Europe
d. Crises in Japan
e. Slump on international stocks (that hits money grubbers)

2. internal conditions
a. High exchange rate of the Polish currency
b. High taxation
c. Devaforable for employers regulations
d. High expenses on subventions on the mining industry and agriculture
e. Outdated infrastructure: roads, telecommunication, etc.

In present situation overcoming all these difficulties is unpossible. Not in present political situation (incoming elections - now populism is in fashion).

"[...]You are 100% right, this guy is a blind man, who cannot see anything in front of his nose. [...]" - Objection. I checked. Even without glasses I can recognize objects at distance of at least of 3-4 meters.

"[..]but Bartozsh never believes in anything[...]" - common sense, but it's rare in our virtual reality.

Volodia, by placing these pictures you contribute global warming...

And one more remark: I noticed that narrow minded individuals use to be wedded to the tribal vocabulary. They simply don't know how to formulate more complicated conclusions. Such a ... vertue.

[Bartosz]

I have following link to the site containing some informations on Ukrainian view on accession to Russia/ integration with West:

http://www.foreignpolicy.org.ua/

Sincirelly informations are neither univocal nor complete, but always better than nothing.