Future (chances) of Ukraine

[volodymyr_gusak]

Not that heard much of optimism about Poland in your reply! in any case, there are many ways in which Poland could delelop with greater speed, and ovecome all your expectations (albeit I do not think this will happen). One way would be to join EU, that would help wouldn' it? But for this bit, poles should stabilise economy and maybe draw on resouces to gain from exports. Again that is long way to go... many years will pass before this strategy becomes reachable.
At the same time let me ask you a question, what would happen if food products from Eastern Europe got their way through to be sold in western countries, unlimited supply? You may ask why would it happen? Well, with a clever approach of polititians, Britain could gain a lot from food imports (because of recent foot and mouth problem). Every country has a business cycle which has booms and recessions, what I meant by "hope for development of Poland" was that when the boom part comes it lasts long enough to make Poland relatively DEVELOPED. Which theoretically is possible.
My approach is very simple towards these things. One has to look forward in bright future, and try to help each other, not by uniting like during Soviet Union, but in trade unions etc. which becomes impossible if country is governed by people like you, who seem to hate neighbours!
Lastly, if Ukraine were to jopin Russia, I would be very dissapoited in our Government, I hope that will not happen.

[Bartosz]

Originally posted by volodymyr_gusak
Not that heard much of optimism about Poland in your reply! in any case, there are many ways in which Poland could delelop with greater speed, and ovecome all your expectations (albeit I do not think this will happen). One way would be to join EU, that would help wouldn' it? But for this bit, poles should stabilise economy and maybe draw on resouces to gain from exports. Again that is long way to go... many years will pass before this strategy becomes reachable.
At the same time let me ask you a question, what would happen if food products from Eastern Europe got their way through to be sold in western countries, unlimited supply? You may ask why would it happen? Well, with a clever approach of polititians, Britain could gain a lot from food imports (because of recent foot and mouth problem). Every country has a business cycle which has booms and recessions, what I meant by "hope for development of Poland" was that when the boom part comes it lasts long enough to make Poland relatively DEVELOPED. Which theoretically is possible.
My approach is very simple towards these things. One has to look forward in bright future, and try to help each other, not by uniting like during Soviet Union, but in trade unions etc. which becomes impossible if country is governed by people like you, who seem to hate neighbours!
Lastly, if Ukraine were to jopin Russia, I would be very dissapoited in our Government, I hope that will not happen.

"Lastly, if Ukraine were to jopin Russia, I would be very dissapoited in our Government, I hope that will not happen. "
- why? If it meets the expectations of the most of population? Poland is to join EC (potentially), and I wouldn't treat it as Apocaliptic Disaster.

"like you, who seem to hate neighbours!"
- not hate but despise, not the whole nations but some their members, and only these who intelectually are too dull to reconcile themselves to the consciousness that their compatriots were able to commit the big crimes.

"At the same time let me ask you a question, what would happen if food products from Eastern Europe got their way through to be sold in western countries, unlimited supply? "
- nothing particular exept with the protests of agricultural lobby. Polish farmers have big problems with their production because this on the west is subsidised officially, and on the east is under crypto subsidies (paralise of the fiscal system makes eastern production relativelly cheaper and customs duty). In addition they produce unneficiantly. Gosh.

"[...] Every country has a business cycle which has booms [...]" - don't be a kid. The cycles since XIX's century are global, and every local economy depends on the prosperity of the surrending environment.

"[...]Britain could gain a lot from food imports (because of recent foot and mouth problem)[...]" - are you really economy student? The only agricultural problem they have concerns subsidies they have to finance. Nothing else. The rest is the histery in the pure form.

"[...]in any case, there are many ways in which Poland could delelop with greater speed[...]" - don't bore me. W're on the eve of the global recession, Greenspan is doing his best, oil prices are lifting production costs and recession sympthoms are strenghtening isolationist trends. And you are kidding about miracolous solutions?

"[...]But for this bit, poles should stabilise [...]" - our economy is stable, but in recession.

And so on.

[Edited by Bartosz on 18th May 2001 at 23:34]

[volodymyr_gusak]

• Well, I am very happy that Polish economy is stabilised, and not happy that it is in "recession"... but is it in recession? Do you know what recession is? Isn't it the case that Poland's GDP and GNP figures have been raising? What kind of "recession" can you talk about, read up economics books. I am not an expert in economics, just because I did not study it long enough to be able to give you a lesson on development, however you will gain some knowledge from any economics book, since you have no idea what even recession is!

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Feel free to put more of your thoughts about future of Ukraine.

[Bartosz]

Originally posted by volodymyr_gusak

• Well, I am very happy that Polish economy is stabilised, and not happy that it is in "recession"... but is it in recession? Do you know what recession is? Isn't it the case that Poland's GDP and GNP figures have been raising? What kind of "recession" can you talk about, read up economics books. I am not an expert in economics, just because I did not study it long enough to be able to give you a lesson on development, however you will gain some knowledge from any economics book, since you have no idea what even recession is!

Feel free to put more of your thoughts about future of Ukraine. [/QUOTE]

Volodia, you claim you're so smart, but more convoluted notions are to be explained you so directly: in the case of the transition economies, occupying far places in the ranks, 2,3 or evem 4% growth mneans in fact recession. Why? That's simple: taking undert account unemployement, natality and so on present economoical growth doesn't assure expected growth of the economical standard of the population. This year growth of Poland was reduced to 2%( makes more remote date of the attaining the level of mythic Greece) what is real disaster and will probably result in growht of unemployement.

Volodia, read books carefully and don't treat all you read orthodoxically...

[volodymyr_gusak]

I promise to give you the definition of recession soon... and that should clarify your argument.
Moreover, a rise in Unemployment is not a disaster yet, Keynesians believe that there is, voluntary and involuntary unemployment, one has to distinguish these things. Even when a country is at the full employment level there is still unemployment (frictional as an example for you). To finish off this little economics guide for you, read about the J curve.
To be honest, I do believe that Poland is deep down, what I object to is you eliminating the possibility of its rise, which, I claim, theoretically is possible.
And a personal thing: please stop bullying me, OK?

[volodymyr_gusak]

Recession a phase of the business cycle characterised by a modest downturn in the level of economic activity (Actual gross national product).
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In one of the previous messages you mentioned the rise of GNP figures in Poland, didn't you? So now you write that the real output falls (in you very last response), don't you find contradiction in what you say?

[V-G]

Originally posted by volodymyr_gusak
Recession a phase of the business cycle characterised by a modest downturn in the level of economic activity (Actual gross national product).

In one of the previous messages you mentioned the rise of GNP figures in Poland, didn't you? So now you write that the real output falls (in you very last response), don't you find contradiction in what you say?

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I have changed my user name, reply to V-G