The new bloody war is ripening at back seat of Europe!

[bm-21Lemko]

I think those installations close in 2014, i believe parliament(Verkhovna Rada) voted on it and decided not to extend.

What prevents russian speaking ukrainians from not aligning themselves with Russia?

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by bm-21Lemko

I think those installations close in 2014, i believe parliament(Verkhovna Rada) voted on it and decided not to extend.

The world has asked Russia to remove itself from Georgia and it hasn't. What makes anyone think they will relinquish any strategic base in the Black Sea just because another government has chosen not to extend the lease?

Originally Posted by bm-21Lemko

What prevents russian speaking ukrainians from not aligning themselves with Russia?

Absolutely nothing, that is my point. Russia told the world the other day they would do the same thing they did in Georgia anywhere in the world if they felt Russian people were in danger. Russian citizen has an accident in Australia blames Australians for it what is Russia going to do? Invade, I doubt it but Ukraine, Eastern Europe, former Soviet states are another matter aren't they because Russia also told the world they have "special" privileges in those areas.

[Lvivske]

Originally Posted by StormAU

Absolutely nothing, that is my point. Russia told the world the other day they would do the same thing they did in Georgia

Russia issued Russian passports/citizenship to all former soviet republics from 1991 to 1996 as part of the breakup of the SU. Stop with this "nothing will stop Russia from claiming citizens!" bull****.

[Lvivske]

Originally Posted by StormAU

I know I'll get flamed for this but I'll say it anyway.

Russia was itching for a fight, if they were peace keepers they should NOT have used force against people in another sovereign state. Take note that Russia has its own problems in that area namely Chechnya and the neighbouring area in which a critic of Russia was recently shot in the head in public view while being put in a police car.

1) Not have used force? Georgia was ethnically cleansing Ossetians (aka. Russian citizens) from the territory. A territory that was sovereign and separate from Georgia. How can they not use force?

2) Speaking of Chechnya, Chechen soldiers very willingly volunteered to help fight against the fascist Georgians.

[bm-21Lemko]

Originally Posted by Lvivske

1) Not have used force? Georgia was ethnically cleansing Ossetians (aka. Russian citizens) from the territory. A territory that was sovereign and separate from Georgia. How can they not use force?

2) Speaking of Chechnya, Chechen soldiers very willingly volunteered to help fight against the fascist Georgians.

1) Georgia is not a unitary government therefore they are not fascist. "fascist" a popular word used on this forum. Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco those people were fascists.

2) Chechen soldiers willing to fight? I don't think they had a choice, i think they were ordered to fight. They only had 2 company's of chechen units and they were seen looting with south ossetians in Gori - sounds like they had some fun, pretty hard fighting i guess

Russia issued Russian passports/citizenship to all former soviet republics from 1991 to 1996 as part of the breakup of the SU. Stop with this "nothing will stop Russia from claiming citizens!" bull****.

Then why dont they go live in Russia, if they do not feel happy with the current situation and are unwilling to change the situation, besides fighting, then they should leave. Besides when you look on a map you see those two areas inside of the borders of Georgia.

Originally Posted by StormAU

The world has asked Russia to remove itself from Georgia and it hasn't. What makes anyone think they will relinquish any strategic base in the Black Sea just because another government has chosen not to extend the lease?

Absolutely nothing, that is my point. Russia told the world the other day they would do the same thing they did in Georgia anywhere in the world if they felt Russian people were in danger. Russian citizen has an accident in Australia blames Australians for it what is Russia going to do? Invade, I doubt it but Ukraine, Eastern Europe, former Soviet states are another matter aren't they because Russia also told the world they have "special" privileges in those areas.

Very true, but Russia might find Ukraine has more kick than Georgia does and Russia will suffer significant losses if it fights Ukraine. Thats assuming Eastern Ukraine doesn't align with Russia.
-Ukraine has a substantially larger military than Georgia-

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I am sorry it took me so long to reply. The address of the site is MIGnews.com.ua

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by Lvivske

Russia issued Russian passports/citizenship to all former soviet republics from 1991 to 1996 as part of the breakup of the SU. Stop with this "nothing will stop Russia from claiming citizens!" bull****.

You don't see it do you? thats ok you believe what you want to, I know what I heard PUTIN and MEDVEDEV say. My Russian my be slow but when you keep hearing it over and over again you get to work out what they are saying.

Originally Posted by Lvivske

1) Not have used force? Georgia was ethnically cleansing Ossetians (aka. Russian citizens) from the territory. A territory that was sovereign and separate from Georgia. How can they not use force?

You have taken in a whole heap of propaganda haven't you, I'm sorry you believe that. There comes a time when everyone must answer for their actions and Russian citizens who were not in Russia but in another sovereign state were waging a guerrilla campaign against the sovereign state they were in had action taken against them. Russia INVADED a sovereign country and then injured and killed civilians from that country. If you don't believe me then I suggest you look at the international media that show Russian tanks blasting apartment blocks in Georgia while people were running for their lives.

Originally Posted by Lvivske

2) Speaking of Chechnya, Chechen soldiers very willingly volunteered to help fight against the fascist Georgians.

I have no doubt some people in Chechnya volunteered to fight, but I wonder if they were Chechen or Russian. I also wonder what would have happened if they didn't fight? Maybe a bullet to the head when they are taken away in a police car