The new bloody war is ripening at back seat of Europe!

[wrigglymaggot]

Originally Posted by MichaelB_PL

What farce? You mean the lies contained in the propaganda of Russian goverment?



You mean all those people who fall under the "useful idiot" term? Yes, they will laugh the idiot's laughter.



1. There is nothing wrong with that, Georgia is an independent country which can buy weapons from whoever she wants, US did NOT arm separatists within Russia's borders.

2. Russia provided weapons and trained the Ossetians, meaning she gave armed support to separatists WITHIN Georgia's borders.



"Corrupt" according to.... you? Russian propaganda? Please, be serious.



Like what exactly do you consider a lie?



What does it have to do with Georgia?



The faults of US or UK, no matter if true or imaginary, do not change the fact that Russia is a criminal state which tries to dominate a sovereign country by military force.




So far, you have presented arguments showing you and your judgement in bad light, but no arguments justifying the Russian invasion of Georgia.


Michael

So you think the US or UK is not a criminal state?. What about the US Illegal invasion of Iraq?, what about the killing of one of their very own officers?, what about Dr David Kelly? murdered. What about the war crimes and human rights abuses of the UK and US. What about rendition? kidnapping innocent civilians and karting them off to an unknown destination?. What about the attacks the US carried out on their own people? What about the funding of the Nazis, the IRA, Taliban etc.. by the US Gov?. What about protesters being arrested for excercising democracy and freedom of speech in the UK and US?.
What about the BAE corruption overseen by the UK Gov?. What about the PNAC?, what about operation Northwood?... the list goes on and on and on and on.

And you think Russia is a criminal state?

There is simply far too much factual evidence I have to post in regard to how more truthful the Russians really are. Even tens of thousands of US citizens now have a deep rooted mistrust of their own Gov. Impeachment of Bush is underway etc...

[MichaelB_PL]

Originally Posted by wrigglymaggot

So you think the US or UK is not a criminal state?.

Typical "useful idiot" rhetoric - obviously you are unwilling or uncapable of looking at Russia in a direct, non-comparative manner.

As I said before:

The faults of US or UK, no matter if true or imaginary, do not change the fact that Russia is a criminal state which tries to dominate a sovereign country by military force.

And you think Russia is a criminal state?

Yes, Russia is a criminal state in many, many ways.

There is simply far too much factual evidence I have to post in regard to how more truthful the Russians really are.

Like when they lied that their fighter did "not" shoot down the Georgian air-drone? Interesting.

Like when they speak about defense of Ossetian civilian population and somehow "forget" about their oil-related interests?

Even tens of thousands of US citizens now have a deep rooted mistrust of their own Gov. Impeachment of Bush is underway etc...

Judging by that sentence, you are a misguided individual who does't understand that USA and Russia are two distinct countries and are NOT opposites.

I'm sure that USA did many wrong things, but it doest't justify Russia's actions against Georgians, Chechnyans, Russian journalists and other "disobedient" Russians, etc etc.

[wrigglymaggot]

Originally Posted by bm-21Lemko

nope wrong, if you are talking about the taliban, we never supplied them. That would be Pakistan and saudi arabia. We did however supply hemaktyr forces, dostoms, the hazaras, and massoud(tajik leader). Not only that but pakistan's and saudi arabia's taliban were defeating the people who we supplied. Also we stopped supplying them after 1991.

so let me guess where did you get that wrong information about the u.s. supplying some one and then them turning on the U.S., the media.



did you even look at it, or did you see msnbc and go on your rant. It was a picture, next time do some research.



those t-62s and t-55s and bm-21s didn't just pop out of thin air that the separtists had.


"Three teams of ethnic Georgians, men in their 40s and 50s, were seen cleaning the streets of Tskhinvali, which was badly damaged in the fighting. When approached, one worker confirmed that he was being forced to work. One group of about two dozen men was escorted through the streets by armed Ossetians and a Russian officer."

"Labor even turns monkeys into humans," the Russian officer said. He threatened to arrest an AP photographer if he took pictures.
Georgians doing forced labor in South Ossetia | International | Jerusalem Post


hahahaha.......really you need to do some research. It goes like this. Ukraine supplied them with the heavy hardware, like tanks, vehicles, apcs, and airplanes and surface to air missiles and helicopters. Also with aks, pkms, and other various small arms. Isreal upgraded some of it and supplied them with limited amount of small arms and uavs and some military trainers. The u.s. supplied them with 8 helicopters, some m4s and uniforms, and trainers. Like Michael said, they are a independent nation, they can buy from whomever they want.



And just becuase you said that, i'll make sure we send the gestapo over right away.

Where did I get or even do get my information from?. The UK and US agencies.

Cannot believe how brainwashed muppets exist, or have any ties to Ukraine even. Even the Ukraine Army generals can back me up on what I have said. I know enough of them. I also know how the German intelligence agencies gave certain information to a certain country which is at war now.
At least my sources have never been wrong, and are kind enough to let me in on what is really going on. Whereas you are just using media bull and have nothing whatsoever to back your ludicrous claims up. You are simply laughable - end of.

[bm-21Lemko]

Where did I get or even do get my information from?. The UK and US agencies.

Cannot believe how brainwashed muppets exist, or have any ties to Ukraine even. Even the Ukraine Army generals can back me up on what I have said. I know enough of them. I also know how the German intelligence agencies gave certain information to a certain country which is at war now.
At least my sources have never been wrong, and are kind enough to let me in on what is really going on. Whereas you are just using media bull and have nothing whatsoever to back your ludicrous claims up. You are simply laughable - end of.

I'm glad that you read only the first line and disregard the rest.
so your source is intelligence. You know how the war in Iraq started, it was falty intelligence.

And again, it was a picture, on msnbc, are you going to tell me its fake?

Also,Ukraine is the major supplier of Georgia not the U.S.

What about the funding of the Nazis, the IRA, Taliban etc.. by the US Gov

again, pakistan and saudi arabia supplied the taliban

Even tens of thousands of US citizens now have a deep rooted mistrust of their own Gov. Impeachment of Bush is underway etc...What about protesters being arrested for excercising democracy and freedom of speech in the UK and US

So, you think the U.S. and the U.K. are dictatorships?

I have no idea what this has to do with the current georgian conflict, that countries do bad things, i have no idea. but this is about as far as i want to go talking about something other than the current georgian conflict.

have nothing whatsoever to back your ludicrous claims up. You are simply laughable - end of.

your insults have no affect on me what so ever, they really are just boring and lame.

[bm-21Lemko]

Here is another source for men detained and have to work

[peter3030]

The only reason that Moscow has fell behind in the propaganda war-is because they have failed to master it.
The problem is of course that no one outside Russia believes a word that comes out of the Kremlin at the best of times.
Although they do have a fine art of twisting things around,coming up with excuses,and offering explanations that even Hollywood scriptwriters would be hard pressed to dream.up.
But above all else we should remember when talking of Propoganda that we have a Prime minister and also a defence chief who are both ex KGB.....and for that matter so is the leader of Belarus who they now hope to get on board-actually should not be too hard since they have been getting subsidised Gas for a long time in anticipation of a KGB reunion party to discuss Polands fate !


And if VP and DM thought they had headaches in the last week........they arent going to get better any time soon.
Lithuania now says its interested in having a shield......and So is Ukraine

Ukraine interested in missile shield - UPI.com


Enough to have them choking on their Russian Standard !


And the latest from Ukraine;

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Ukraine offers West radar warning

[bm-21Lemko]

the only bad thing is if the countries accept this shield it makes them targets.

And as we have seen before russia is not scared of taking military action.

Russia could easily hit Poland or one of the baltic states, it just has to go through Belarus, which i'm sure they wouldn't have problem letting the russian go through their country.

And there is a small piece of russia that borders poland.