The new bloody war is ripening at back seat of Europe!

[peter3030]

Agree.
Traditionally putting measures in place as a deterrant,is done specifically that it does just that (or hopefully )

With this scenario its a bit like closing the stable doors after the horse has already bolted...to a certain degree.

It blows a big hole in the US claims that the shield is meant to protect against rogue states.
Clearly now after events with the South there can be little doubts who the rogue states (or in this case STATE) and..why there is such a scramble for it now.

Belarus was disappointed when Moscow removed the last of the Nukes from there-but the relation with the boss there Putins ex KGB collegue is anything but harmonious.
But when the chips are down-they will work together.
Belarus still holds much of the flavour of the old regime and its communist history.The reason the guy is still there after so many years is because he does look after the people - and they are happy with the devil they know.
They are pretty proud people and no doubt will be told that its in their interests to host Moscows offerings.

Interestingly enough the Belarus GDP rose by almost 10% in the first half of this year not many countries if any can boast that in these times.
So maybe theres activities already going on behind the scenes.The Russian foreign minister visited there back in April to discuss the re-operation of the radars so its not something thats come about this week-but already in anticipation of the Polish signing.
Suppose you could say that they knew it was only a matter of time,and that for all their protests and threats-it fell on deaf ears.
Their mistake in being able to argue the points was by giving Iran the same capabilities and more besides.

[bm-21Lemko]

many former ssr's still have a one party system or make it impossible for another party to take office.

such examples are tajikistan, kazakhstan, turkmenistan, and uzbekistan.

I've heard rumors that kyrgyzstan may also.

They all have that russian flavor with the exception of turkmenistan. My question is if they are alright with russian ruling how come they have not reformed the soviet union?


It seems also that Georgia's military is only in the visinity of the Tblisi

[peter3030]

Maybe because up to the last couple of years they have not really had the resources or political motivation to do so.
But as we know....how things can change in 10 days !

[bm-21Lemko]

It seems Russia has deployed offensive weaponry in south ossetia, they will probably do the same in Russia near poland or Belarus once the missile shield is established.

Russia has moved short-range SS-21 missiles into South Ossetia, possibly putting the Georgian capital Tbilisi in range, a US defense official said Monday.(AFP

[Max_the_Highlander]

It seems Russian troops are leaving Georgia at least this is declared so. Observers however state they are still in cities.

Yes guys I have admit Russian had complete superiority in this war. Their 57th army which entered the stage was bigger the entire Georgian army. Georgians were trained by NATO but alas...

And how about short flight on the back side of the moon?

Recently I had opportunity to talk through the Internet with few Russian acquaintances. Of course reaction on Georgia events was my primary interest. It appeared so that this is also the number one theme in Russia now.

This is basic version given by Russian mass medias.

"Georgians together with Americans (!) decided to butcher the Southern Ossetians. Also they attacked Russian peacemakers and killed Russian citizens".

My comments: Georgian troops entered only Tzhinvali, the capital of Southern Ossetia, they never planned to move further and this was btw rough slip. Also, they didn't attacked civilians directly accept the preparatory gun-fire. Russian peacemakers before the conflict got Saakashvili’s order to stay on places and do not interfere. Americans in Ossetia... pure dementia.

But there is interesting issue about Russian civilians. Big part of Southern Ossetians got second Russian citizenship while this area was protected by they peacemakers. Some sources put the number of 80%. This gave Russians right to talk about protection of own citizens.

As one guy put it, "Americans declared they will protect own citizens everywhere and they somehow found own citizens in Iraq. We have own citizens in Ossetia so we only protect them. Pressure on Russia is pure implementation of double standards. If it's OK in Iraq, it's OK in Georgia."

Another interesting detail. The chief of unacknowledged Southern Ossetia in his interview for Ukrainian journalists stated there were many Ukrainian citizens among killed tank team soldiers and pilots. Shocking thing but I still don't know can we believe it or not.

[bm-21Lemko]

Another interesting detail. The chief of unacknowledged Southern Ossetia in his interview for Ukrainian journalists stated there were many Ukrainian citizens among killed tank team soldiers and pilots. Shocking thing but I still don't know can we believe it or not.

I have heard that too. Also there were soldiers of african descent(the so claimed americans) There is a number of ways this could be true:

private contractors as mercenaries. ( -the russians have been doing this for years with other countries piloting mostly fighter planes or maintaining them.- ) This would also explain the african or black counted among the dead as well.

There are more less likely ones but the one up above -fits the shoe in my opinion-

some less likely ones are ukrainian mafia(doubt it), ukrainian descent from deported regions of former USSR (doubt it), or they were just as the russians acclaimed ukrainian and american advisors (maybe)

[Max_the_Highlander]

I still don't know if we can believe this "president"... he was looking as gangster who just recently killed a little girl.

But if it's true I can see only two explanations:

1) Private contractors.
2) Ukrainian military instructors. This is the most probable version. Since Ukraine delivered to Georgia heavy tanks, training airplanes and flack rockets, we also delivered there instructors to teach them. Logically, they entered the battle together with Georgians.