Will Obama be the President and why?

[V-G]

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

publish complete text for common fun

Common fun you say, and yet you are

[Max_the_Highlander]

Volodya, you annoy me... I got advice from Kathy to PM here if someone annoys me and do not discuss everything right on the board because it's just useless pollution.

One more word about me in person and you will write me another apology letter. It became good tradition to publish those your apologies then.

Let me finally get back to discussion because it occupies me more.

I can make tatoo right on my forehead saying "God" or "Christ" or 'Emperor of Universe"... will it make me the God, Christ or Emperor of Universe? Definitely not.

If someone makes tatoo "Change", it doesn't mean he is "change". People put into words absolutelly different sense. Many white liberals dream about liberal changes which will make the US similar with Europe but Obama may put into different sense... you know, the dreams of his Kenyan father.

I really doubt if the dreams of white American liberals coincide with dreams of his father.

[Kathy]

I will respond to these posts later. For now, I ask that you take further insults to Bare Knuckles, please.

[StormAU]

stepanstas, I'm not going to quote your entire post as it does not achieve anything in this case.

It is neither here nor there if you like my observations or not, I think you need to take it in the context that it is written. I am an Australian Observer, where do I get my observations from? the Australian Media who love Hillary Clinton. Yet they are unable to make her campaign look squeaky clean. She has hit the racial button and believe me if Obama had done it like she has the Australian media would be showing it all day everyday saying things like "Do we want this man to be our ally?" Yet they don't and can't because there is nothing they can use to do that with. The one time they were able to pull any stunt was to tell us all he lived in Indonesia when he was a child, now if you don't know about Australia and Indonesia's relationship with each other I tell you a little bit about it. We have about 22 mill people, they have about 300 mill people. We had an election won by our former PM based on the fact that the majority of Australians do not trust Indonesians and don't want them in Australia. The Australian media fueled that ideal to a frenzy and would use anything about Obama they could to show him in a bad light. I hope you now understand the context I am talking about.

I am sorry but to the international community it most certainly looks like a race campaign. If it wasn't why would people keep bringing up Obama's former pastor and taking things he has said way out of context unless it is to say that they do not want a non-white President because they are afraid the combined minorities will rise up against them.

So what if Obama is new blood? Its obvious the party felt he has the ability, and then the people believe it to cause they are voting for him. Then we have the super delegates slowly changing sides from Hilary to Obama. New blood can be a good thing as it can move the old blood from centre stage and allow a country to move forward as a cohesive unit.

[stepanstas]

Okay, wow, a lot of posts to read through.

Sorry if I do not address every point.

1) V-G, this will once again be the last of my posts to you. Just one last point to you, such an educated man, go back to page 6. I quoted you
"Latly, "i" should be capitalized." What dictionary did you find Latly in?

2) Kathy, Obama is so good at making speeches. Is and Was is a big thing. That is not irrelevant. As far as the rest of that comment, you can have your opinions. What is reality to you, may not always be true.

3) Storm, for my family it was not a race campaign until all the information unvieled. And its still not just race, but that has made a huge impact. In a case like this, you cannot ignore race. His pastor feels that black people should have their own country and is racist. Remember this is his pastor. He has been friends with him for 20 years, was wed by him, and his current beliefs in God are thanks to Wright. I hight doubt Obama only picked up religion in this.

4) Max, Wanted to save you for last. What you say is completely true. First of all, this is politics and politics does include lies. Obama cannot assure change. Also, change can be good and bad. Finally, and again, Obama is new. He does not have experience and in this case it is bad. He does not understand that he cant just make things work. President of USA does not equal dictator. He still has to go through congress, etc.

5) And finally also to Max regaurding Kathy. I liked Kathy from the start. I dont anymore. She is very contridicting. She will send PMs and Emails encouraging you to keep going and stay strong while publically encouraging all this sh*t from V-G. She says that it brings in new crowds, but even if it does, then they are comming here for the wrong purpose. At least if i was a mod I would not want this on my forum.

[V-G]

Originally Posted by stepanstas

1) V-G, this will once again be the last of my posts to you. Just one last point to you, such an educated man, go back to page 6. I quoted you
"Latly, "i" should be capitalized." What dictionary did you find Latly in?

Irony, are you a fan? Again and again the last? Nice!

Oh, and *ouch* you got me with Lastly, you hit me where it hurts the most, my spelling LOL {/end sarcasm}

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by stepanstas

3) Storm, for my family it was not a race campaign until all the information unvieled. And its still not just race, but that has made a huge impact. In a case like this, you cannot ignore race. His pastor feels that black people should have their own country and is racist. Remember this is his pastor. He has been friends with him for 20 years, was wed by him, and his current beliefs in God are thanks to Wright. I hight doubt Obama only picked up religion in this.

Wow what a statement, the next logical thing to come from that is Hillary will be having sex in the Oval Office with someone who is NOT her husband. Remember Bill did it then by your own deductive reasoning so will Hillary.

Originally Posted by stepanstas

4) Max, Wanted to save you for last. What you say is completely true. First of all, this is politics and politics does include lies. Obama cannot assure change. Also, change can be good and bad. Finally, and again, Obama is new. He does not have experience and in this case it is bad. He does not understand that he cant just make things work. President of USA does not equal dictator. He still has to go through congress, etc.

Life includes lies, really what would make politics any different? What experience did GWB have before he become president? He watched his father send troops to Iraq, he watched his father blindly follow Ronald Reagan whose wife was seeing a mystic. No one can assure change, anyone who thinks such a thing is fooling themselves. The people need to be behind the change or it wont work. Are you going to be the voice that stifles change? or will you be the voice to help it? America needs change.

Originally Posted by stepanstas

5) And finally also to Max regaurding Kathy. I liked Kathy from the start. I dont anymore. She is very contridicting. She will send PMs and Emails encouraging you to keep going and stay strong while publically encouraging all this sh*t from V-G. She says that it brings in new crowds, but even if it does, then they are comming here for the wrong purpose. At least if i was a mod I would not want this on my forum.

You know that's a really slack comment, I have known Kathy for a couple of years now, and believe me we have had some heated debates yet she has always been gracious with a quick wit and can throw it back at you without spite to, and even though I do not agree with many things she says she is able to have a half way decent conversation. I myself am here because she invited me, and I doubt it was for the wrong reasons, I have seen V-Gs diatribes and I have seen what people throw back at him. Methinks it is really a case of getting a thicker skin and maybe not falling into his game, or allowing your game to be hijacked. V-G and I could have hit it off really badly but he has taken the time to listen and ask questions just like I have with him and I think that's the key to most things in cyber land. If you enter into games of spite tehn I would think you should expect them back.

I'll make one last comment right now about new blood, which you consider a problem with Obama. Why is it if you consider new blood to be such a big problem that so much old blood is already backing Obama or moving to back him? Why are you the political nouse (means Grey Matter) of America when so many of the political dinosours of America are backing him?