Will Obama be the President and why?

[stepanstas]

V-G,

No thanks, I liked the conversation that was going on here, and do not want to get off topic (as always) just to chat.

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Very sad that John Edwards endorsed Obama. :-(

[V-G]

Originally Posted by stepanstas

V-G,

No thanks, I liked the conversation that was going on here, and do not want to get off topic (as always) just to chat.

You liked the conversation, but you do not like it anymore, is that correct? Please say so and I'll go away. I was confused by the "glad to see you back" comment.

You do not want to get off topic, great... you really do want to control everything. This is internet forum, going off topic is just fine

[Kathy]

Originally Posted by stepanstas

Kathy,

Stop twisting my words.

First off I see you just forgot about Wright since you saw i was right :-)

Secondly. I said "Obama is not rasist" as part of a playalong for my little poem, okay?

And Should she be scared, in most cases yes (honestly, we all can admit it).

BUT HE DID DISRESPECT HIS GRANDMOTHER. You did not comment on that.

By saying "Typical white person" he is talking for white people, and just as Wright said that Hillary has never been called a Nigga, we can say the same about Obama. He has never been white.

I would also like to say that if any white person who has something going for him or herself said "typical black person" nomatter who it was directed to, Rev. Al Sharpton whould be all over it and whatever he/she had going for themselves, would turn to nothing.

Stepan, Senator Obama's grandmother did have the attitude of a "typcal white person" when she was afraid of an African American male. Senator Obama was referring to a specific time, which was before you were born.

Senator Obama is not white, but he grew up in a white household. He is biracial. In fact, the irony in all this is that before Senator Clinton's statements on Martin Luther King, many African American voters did not consider Senator Obama "black enough" because he is not the descendant of slaves.

And I have no idea what your point is about Rev. Wright.

Now, to John Edwards' endorsement of Senator Obama: The writing is on the wall. Senator Clinton cannot, under any circumstances, win this nomination. I think John Edwards knew that, and his endorsement is given so that Senator Clinton exits gracefully after June 3. If she does not, the Democratic Party will be ripped apart, as it was in 1968 and 1980.

[stepanstas]

VG, My comment to you will be short. First off, when I said "liked" it was because I liked the conversation, and when I was making the comment back you you it is no longer regaurding this topic and i do not "like" the way it is heading. Secondly, I do not want to go into this again. My views on forums is that "going off topic" is not "just fine". I think its fine to make various topics, but to kill topics as you do just when they get good, is not what i believe in. This will be the last thing i say to you regaurding this. If you would like to speak to me regaurding this topic, you may do so.

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Kathy,

You say "Obama was referring to a specific time". Yea, actually Obama said "My Grandmother Is A Typical White Person." Not "My Grandmother Was A Typical White Person."

I think there is all to say about that. Don't see what your next paragragh has to do about this.

About John Edwards, he is a fool for doing such a thing. I honor him for the nice things that he stated about Hillary Clinton, but he still endorsed Obama. I find a few problems with this. First, I do not like the whole endorsement thing. It makes John Edwards' supporters go for Obama just because he said so and not because of facts. It does not give people the chance to make their own choice. Clearly John Edwards does not believe that Obama is best fit for president because otherwise he would not have ran. This is not against him personally as much as it is about endorcements in general.

Second, Hillary Clinton can win according to the number and I personally find some trouble with the fact that now towards the end she is winning all these states. To me this means that many others (who voted back in January) may have realized that Hillary is a better choice just like those voting now. Most likely you do not understand my point here, but it would take to long to explain.

Third, If John Edwards only endorsed Obama because of stats, that is not right. Hillary Clinton does still have a chance and he should have then waited out until the primaries were over.

Finally, The fact fact of the matter is, Obama will not become president. If Hillary Clinton does not get nominated, he will not survive against Senator McCain. For three reasons, Hillary Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama, Obama is not suitable for president for the reasons I described earlier and many people now know it, and finally, he cannot survive against Senator McCain already. How will he survive later on?

To sum up, if you are a Democrat, vote Hillary Clinton, otherwise it will be President McCain.

P.S. Personally, I am independant, I do not like the two party system.

[Kathy]

Originally Posted by stepanstas

You say "Obama was referring to a specific time". Yea, actually Obama said "My Grandmother Is A Typical White Person." Not "My Grandmother Was A Typical White Person."

Yes, but he was referring to a particular time, and a particular incident. His Grandmother doesn't even leave her apartment now.

About John Edwards, he is a fool for doing such a thing. I honor him for the nice things that he stated about Hillary Clinton, but he still endorsed Obama. I find a few problems with this. First, I do not like the whole endorsement thing. It makes John Edwards' supporters go for Obama just because he said so and not because of facts. It does not give people the chance to make their own choice. Clearly John Edwards does not believe that Obama is best fit for president because otherwise he would not have ran. This is not against him personally as much as it is about endorcements in general.

Edwards is a politician. And, Obama will be the nominee. He is endorsing the presumptive nominee.

There is no requirement for Edwards' delegates to follow him. But, even if HRC received all Edwards' delegates, she still could not win the nomination.


Second, Hillary Clinton can win according to the number and I personally find some trouble with the fact that now towards the end she is winning all these states. To me this means that many others (who voted back in January) may have realized that Hillary is a better choice just like those voting now. Most likely you do not understand my point here, but it would take to long to explain.

No, she can't. She would need to win every remaining race by over 70%. That hasn't even happened in the states that she has won. Moreover, she is a very polarizing figure. The GOP would like her as the nominee because it will bring out their base, many of whom despise the Clintons.

Third, If John Edwards only endorsed Obama because of stats, that is not right. Hillary Clinton does still have a chance and he should have then waited out until the primaries were over.

The endorsement was a message to the Clinton camp.

Finally, The fact fact of the matter is, Obama will not become president. If Hillary Clinton does not get nominated, he will not survive against Senator McCain. For three reasons, Hillary Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama, Obama is not suitable for president for the reasons I described earlier and many people now know it, and finally, he cannot survive against Senator McCain already. How will he survive later on?To sum up, if you are a Democrat, vote Hillary Clinton, otherwise it will be President McCain.[/i]

Many Clinton supporters will indeed vote for Obama. In fact, most of her campaign team will end up working with Obama's campaign.

Your "reasons" are your own opinion. Millions of voters disagree with you. Did you see the crowd that turned out in Portland?

[StormAU]

OK my American friends please don't shoot me for what I am about to say.

Hillary has through all of her married life used her maiden name, now when she wants to be President she decides to use her married name. I kind of think there's a lot of disrespect there cause she is using a name to suit her purpose.

Obama if I remember correctly was brought up in Indonesia. I may be wrong and will stand corrected if I am.

McCain or whatever his name is will probably just follow GWBs policies. Not sure if thats a good thing or not.

If Hilary wins the Presidency there is nothing to stop the same thing happening again as they did in Bills terms. Bill was the president who sent more military off to do things than any other president. Many people seem to forget Bill sent people to Iraq as well.

Anyway just thought I would share my thoughts.

[V-G]

Originally Posted by stepanstas

VG, My comment to you will be short. First off, when I said "liked" it was because I liked the conversation, and when I was making the comment back you you it is no longer regaurding this topic and i do not "like" the way it is heading. Secondly, I do not want to go into this again. My views on forums is that "going off topic" is not "just fine". I think its fine to make various topics, but to kill topics as you do just when they get good, is not what i believe in. This will be the last thing i say to you regaurding this. If you would like to speak to me regaurding this topic, you may do so.

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P.S. Personally, I am independant, I do not like the two party system.

To stay on topic, I think Obama will win. For one, he is the best they got over there...

FYI, a few spelling errors, please pay attention to:
->regaurding should be regarding (you are consistent with this error)
->independant should be independent (with an "e")
Latly, "i" should be capitalized

I am sorry if I

kill topics as you do just when they get good

it is never my intention to kill anything, especially things that are "good". I do however, seem to upset you quite easily. Is it because of our past arguments?