Will Obama be the President and why?

[StormAU]

Step your first sentence has totally confused me, sorry but I just don't know what you have tried to say.

I haven't said doing cocaine is a good thing, I agree with you it is illegal and shouldn't be encouraged. What I am trying to say is there is no real proof of this apart from what is being said by some people in a smear campaign. To my mind that is dirty politics and does absolutely nothing to help people decide who is good for the job, instead it turns people off everyone.

Now if what Bill did has nothing to do with the current campaign then I would think that someone who Obama does not agree with on things, then these should have nothing to do with the campaign either.

Now with all due respect, all I have seen is a group of people say a guy who isn't a "white anglo-saxon christian" is not good enough to be president and have given nothing apart from what appears to be dirty politics and biased opinions based on very questionable statistics that cannot be produced cause they don't exist to justify their case.

[is5512]

Originally Posted by StormAU

Your talking as though he still is, if he ever really was anyway. Have you ever thought it might have been a smear campaign?

And what are you thinking about?

Please s l o w l y re-read the post. Suspecting politicians might be trying to smear others is like suspecting there might be water in the Pacific. What was pure organic rose-fertilizer (happier now?) was the suggestion that Americans would hold in high esteem a politician who was a doper.

Originally Posted by StormAU

Actually yes many of you are still, just consider the fact you yourself said Hillary will most probably end up Vice President, that in itself should indicate that the majority are thinking differently to you. Oh,and guess what I have family in America who think exactly opposite to what you are saying.

Re-read even more s l o w l y where I said it was doubtful Hillary would end up as Obama's running mate. And Who Cares what the "majority" (according to the pollsters -- something else I have experience as and contempt for) are saying. I'll pass on the reference to your family.

Originally Posted by StormAU

And this is the clincher isn't it, you're unable to discuss this properly so we say things like "super pooper" and "horse poop" to try to make a fool of the other person.

I wasn't aware my help was needed.

Originally Posted by StormAU

Btw if your so upset about someone from a different hemisphere discussing your elections, why are you discussing it with someone whose governmental system is different to yours? Ah that's right he is agreeing with you and coming out with statements like "super pooper", a statement similar to ones you use.

I have no objection whatsoever discussing the election *especially* to get the perspective of a Ukrainian...that's why I'm at "Ukraine.com" as opposed to "someothercountryicouldcarelessabout.com".) What is insulting is someone making blanket statements like "the current President has done nothing for the working person" and "Americans hold in high esteem people <with the implication: politicians> with drug problems" and the implication that we need a change in leadership to help make us "great" again. Yeah. The experts have spoken.

[Kathy]

Stepan, first, the link I provided was not meant to entertain you. It was meant to educate you (not that the two are necessarily distinct).

Second, your links are full of disinformation. Can we say "Swift Boat"???

Glen Beck is a far right wing "political commentator" with the dubious distinction of hosting the lowest rated show on all of cable television.

Obama's father was indeed a Muslim. But many in the Obama family in Kenya are Christians. Moreover, Obama was not raised by his father, but by his Christian grandparents and agnostic mother.

As for cocaine, Obama wrote in his book about using "blow" when he could get it as a teen. But he was not a cocaine addict. At that time (pre crack), cocaine was quite expensive. He admits to a pot addiction. He set aside pot and, for that matter, cocaine, when he left college because he did not want to be another "angry black junkie" (in his own words).

[stepanstas]

Storm,

I don't believe these are rumors, I think the truth is comming out.

Kathy,

I don't know the rankings of the shows, I just know that he makes sence to me and is a very wise man. He is not just a commentator because he listens to the guests that come on his show.

I dont care if he is a muslim.

As far a the pot goes. I don't even know what to say. I'm sure its not all he did.

[Kathy]

Obama admitted to being a pothead who did "blow" (i.e. cocaine) in high school. All the information on this comes right out of Obama's book.

BTW, he also stated that he quit using drugs in college because, as I posted, he did not want to be another black "druggie failure".

Glenn Beck's "wisdom"

Glenn Beck on wanting to kill a liberal who disagrees with him

BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, "Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore," and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, "Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death." And you know, well, I'm not sure.

Media Matters - Radio host Glenn Beck "thinking about killing Michael Moore"

Glenn Beck denigrating the families of 9/11 victims -

BECK: (W)hen I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, "Oh shut up!" I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining. And we did our best for them.

Media Matters - Glenn Beck called hurricane survivors in New Orleans "scumbags," said he "hates" 9-11 families


Glenn Beck calls Hillary Clinton "the Antichrist" -

BECK: . . .The stock of women in the workforce moving higher on the news that their voices, believe it or not, are getting lower. A new book out in England has found a direct correlation between the pitch of a woman's voice and the growing equality of women in the workplace.

Believe it or not, somebody has spent time noodling this idea. Her name: Anne Karpf. She's an author. She examined women's voices over the second half of the 20th century and found that their voices have deepened dramatically. She's got nothing else to do with her time.

She says the trend is most evident in high-powered positions like TV correspondents and female politicians. She says they're often encouraged to lower their pitch in order to get ahead. We wanted to see if there was anything to this. We looked at a couple of pieces of tape. We're going to roll them for you. Here's Hillary Clinton in '93.

CLINTON [video clip]: I'm not looking for any particular role or position --

BECK: OK, OK. Bringing back too many memories. Please, stop with that. OK. Now let's listen to what Hillary Clinton sounds like today.

CLINTON [video clip with her voice artificially deepened]: The public-private partnership exemplified by --

BECK: Yes. I think we may have found our Antichrist and our next president.

Media Matters - Joining MSNBC's Imus, CNN's Beck called Hillary Clinton the "Antichrist"

Glenn Beck also compares Hillary Clinton to Hitler (a particular favourite of his. Gore is also Hitler in Beck's on air tirades) -

BECK: Once he [Hitler] was through with the babies, the elderly were next. As it has been said over and over again with tragedies regarding the Holocaust: never again. So, when you see politicians making statements like this one yesterday --

CLINTON [video clip]: But the whole issue of health care is coming back. That may be a bad dream for some, but for others, it's a very welcome possibility, because we are on an unsustainable course. I think that we have to come up with a uniquely American solution.

BECK: OK. When you see statements like that, be afraid. Be very, very afraid. It's not a bad dream for me; it is a nightmare. Hillary, thanks, but no thanks. 1993 wasn't that long ago. I remember all too well that confused, nonsensical mess you tried to make of the greatest health care system in the world.

Media Matters - Beck juxtaposed Hitler's "decree permitting euthanasia" with Clinton's plan for health care


Glenn Beck thinks torture is a good thing -

BECK: And what would you -- like, what kind of tools would you use? What was your method and what worked the best?

""MITCH": No. No. I did know a contractor that did drilling on live teeth. You know, well teeth. And you've seen that before in different movies.

[...]

BECK: Did you ever accidentally kill somebody?

"MITCH": No. I made them wish they were dead. You know, when you have -- like I was saying the, the best -- my most successful use of any technique was high-pressure air. You just think of a small [high] velocity hose with 1,200 PSI [pounds per square inch] of air coming through it. I don't know if you've ever heard a hose with that much pressure go off, but once -- your ears immediately bleed. One ear blown completely out, and you don't have to do the other one.

BECK: Wow. Mitch?

"MITCH": It's like your head exploding inside is what we always thought --

BECK: Do you ever have a hard time sleeping at night?

"MITCH": No.

BECK: Good for you. Good for -- I mean, good for you. Is it because you did it for the country?

"MITCH": Yeah. I knew what we -- how important it was.

[...]

BECK: I've got to tell you, Mitch, it's -- you know, you tell one of these stories, you -- I don't know. If you're comfortable telling this kind of -- it's not something that when you first meet -- say, "Hey, by the way, for 30 years I tortured people." I mean, it's kind of an awkward, weird, kind of thing. But I have to tell you, when all is said and done, I'm glad people like you are on our side.

"MITCH": Well, I'm glad I was on my side, too. I -- but, you know...

BECK: [laughter]

Media Matters - Beck to purported torturer: "I appreciate your service"

If you want balance, I suggest Anderson Cooper 360.

[Kathy]

Originally Posted by bm-21Lemko

yes you are correct.

The only reason i believe we should stay is the terrorist haven possibility

not for strategic base crap.

I meant to respond to this as well.

There were no terrorists (other than a couple of Palestinians) in Iraq before its invasion. Iraqis do not support al Qaeda, and do not want al Qaeda on Iraqi lands.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia both have far more al Qaeda sympathizers than Iraq will ever have.

[stepanstas]

Kathy,

No news host these days is fair and balanced.

Everyone is rooting for someone. Glen Beck is at least down to earth with his feelings.

I personally have never heard any of the things you posted above.

But hey, what does this have to do with the two links I posted. They only contain facts and none of the things you posted above.