Will Obama be the President and why?

[stepanstas]

Okay,

Kathy,

I had time to look at your article and it was really boring to be honest.

But I did look at other sources and well, I don't know if Black Liberation Theology was supposed to make me feel better, because it didn't.

I do however want to share with everyone else, these two links (Part 1 and Part 2).

They are not perfect quality but it is a guy that i like a lot and watch every day. Glen Beck.

YouTube - Glenn Beck: Obama - Black Liberation Theology 1
YouTube - Glenn Beck: Obama - Black Liberation Theology 2

[Max_the_Highlander]

Originally Posted by stepanstas

Max, what city are you in?

I live in Uzhgorod, Transcarpathia, almost on the same Ukrainian-Hungarian-Slovakian border. It’s the most Western point of Ukraine and the geographic center of Europe.

Stepan, I read the site Do Not Vote For Obama and I’m positively in shock.

Is it true or fake?

1) Obama was cocaine addicted.

2) His father was Muslim.

If the last is true I understand why he wants troop withdrawal so desperately though again other sources inform he never voted for such troop withdrawal.

Originally Posted by StormAU

Furthermore any country that has a "social security" type system e.g. pensions, health care etc. has socialist tendencies. A right wing country would expect its citizens to fend for themselves with regards to these types of thing, a welfare state is more socialist than it is right wing.

Honestly, right-wing and left-wing in US and Europe are different ideas. Both streams are very active here, the government was won in every country by leftists not once and so what you call “social security” is just usual norm of life, the safety valve of shark-like capitalism. US still has not this but I explain it by known American specifics, conservatism, etc.

Now the right-wing pro-national parties which try to reduce social security, to prevent immigration and to make the economic game harder dominate on this continent. They are not very loyal to African and Asian immigrants; it’s actually a kind of preventing defense. Of course the human rights are not violated but with no doubts Europe sees itself as white continent.

I think some people read to much into the word "change".

Yes I do. American society feels the need of changes, but while Hillary promises those necessary changes, Obama promises the super-pooper “change”. I still can’t understand what he means and it seems no one is able to explain it here so I doubt if he can deliver his promises.

Just like the "cool" image Bill Clinton tried to make for himself playing the saxophone in a band.

Saxophone? It’s very aristocratic, for my taste. He wasn’t trying to play the banjo, right?

I like Hillary and McCain don’t hide they are “establishment” while Obama makes his populism extreme. So who does fool the people?

They are both Democrats, they will only release policies that the Democratic party will allow then to release.

This is where I can agree, as about statistics so I have not numbers but that’s obvious – the Clinton group is very numerous, powerful and influential. I don’t know the exact proportion but he can’t do anything inside and outside the party without their loyalty.

Btw, will some politically knowledgeable Americans help? Is it possible congress of Democratic party will nominate two candidates for presidential elections?

[stepanstas]

Max,

I would not be surpriced if he did cocaine since a lot is becoming uncovered about him.

I also believe he was gay. Had a thing with some guy in NY.

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

1) Obama was cocaine addicted.

So what? really Bill Clinton had sex with a woman that wasn't his wife got caught out about it and lied to the American people. So many of the people that are "held in high esteem" in AMerica have drug habits of one sort or another.

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

2) His father was Muslim.

Again so what? This is the type of logic that stops a Catholic being Prime Minister of England.

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

If the last is true I understand why he wants troop withdrawal so desperately though again other sources inform he never voted for such troop withdrawal.

And you don't think that he might be thinking about stopping the loss of American servicemen's lives?

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

Honestly, right-wing and left-wing in US and Europe are different ideas.

I'm Australian Max, my system is a direct transfer of the system in England and the last time I looked at an atlas England was part of Europe. Not all of Europe is Right Wing, granted some is but that is not what you said.

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

Yes I do. American society feels the need of changes, but while Hillary promises those necessary changes, Obama promises the super-pooper “change”. I still can’t understand what he means and it seems no one is able to explain it here so I doubt if he can deliver his promises.

"super-pooper"? are we having an adult discussion here? Why are you embellishing your argument with phrases like "super-pooper"?

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

Saxophone? It’s very aristocratic, for my taste. He wasn’t trying to play the banjo, right?

You are losing it here you realise that don't you? So Bills theatre play to look cool while doing nothing at that time for his country is a good thing yet Obama's theatre play for change getting the American people to try and make their country great again is a bad thing? I wonder if you would like Obama more if he did a Woodstock thing.

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

I like Hillary and McCain don’t hide they are “establishment” while Obama makes his populism extreme. So who does fool the people?

Traditionally American's don't trust "establishment" They kicked the Brits out remember cause the "establishment" wasn't giving them a fair go. If indeed Obama isn't "establishment" that can only play into his favour especially when for the last 3 or 4 Presidents the "establishment" has done very little for the "common" people.

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

This is where I can agree, as about statistics so I have not numbers but that’s obvious – the Clinton group is very numerous, powerful and influential. I don’t know the exact proportion but he can’t do anything inside and outside the party without their loyalty.

So you have made a statement but can't back it up.

[is5512]

Max, to touch on an earlier post of yours: No, each party will put up only one candidate for President. It's possible that Hillary (probably the loser in this duel) would be nominated by the party as Vice-President, but I have my doubts.

Originally Posted by StormAU

So what? really Bill Clinton had sex with a woman that wasn't his wife got caught out about it and lied to the American people. So many of the people that are "held in high esteem" in AMerica have drug habits of one sort or another.

Horsepoop. It's one thing to have fans cheering an athlete or entertainer in spite of a drug problem. Quite another to have a President who's a doper.

Originally Posted by StormAU

And you don't think that he might be thinking about stopping the loss of American servicemen's lives?

None. Zero. Nil. Not a chance. He's thinking about getting elected.

Originally Posted by StormAU

Obama's theatre play for change getting the American people to try and make their country great again is a bad thing?

Ah. We're not great anymore. I must have been playing golf the day that news came out. Fortunately, I'm able to have someone in another hemisphere tell me.

Originally Posted by StormAU

the last 3 or 4 Presidents the "establishment" has done very little for the "common" people.

Horse....no, I used that word already.
But it still is.

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by is5512

Horsepoop. It's one thing to have fans cheering an athlete or entertainer in spite of a drug problem. Quite another to have a President who's a doper.

Your talking as though he still is, if he ever really was anyway. Have you ever thought it might have been a smear campaign?

Originally Posted by is5512

None. Zero. Nil. Not a chance. He's thinking about getting elected.

And what are you thinking about?

Originally Posted by is5512

Ah. We're not great anymore. I must have been playing golf the day that news came out. Fortunately, I'm able to have someone in another hemisphere tell me.

Actually yes many of you are still, just consider the fact you yourself said Hillary will most probably end up Vice President, that in itself should indicate that the majority are thinking differently to you. Oh,and guess what I have family in America who think exactly opposite to what you are saying.

Originally Posted by is5512

Horse....no, I used that word already.
But it still is.

And this is the clincher isn't it, you're unable to discuss this properly so we say things like "super pooper" and "horse poop" to try to make a fool of the other person when all you have done is show you are unwilling to discuss something properly.

Btw if your so upset about someone from a different hemisphere discussing your elections, why are you discussing it with someone whose governmental system is different to yours? Ah that's right he is agreeing with you and coming out with statements like "super pooper", a statement similar to ones you use.

[stepanstas]

Storm,

You say so what like its nothing. I should not be encouraged.

What Bill did was wrong. We can all agree to that, the that has nothing to do with the current campaign.

Also, as far as I am conserned, doing cocaine is illegal.