Will Obama be the President and why?

[stepanstas]

Max, what city are you in?

You know if you think about these things. Barack said that he will meet with the terrorists. I think i can now understand why. What other country / President will meet with him? I doubt he will go to Europe much if he does become president. I know he will not go to Ukraine. So, now it makes sence why he would meet with terorists.

P.S. Check out this site guys

Do Not Vote For Obama

Don't just look at the name, it collects all the videos that we need to see to tell the truth.

[V-G]

White guys have a WAY cooler church!

YouTube - Louis Theroux: The Most Hated Family in America [BBC]

[V-G]

Seriously Stepan, that site you posted isn't very good... it is a poor attempt at a funny , if you want a good attempt, watch this one:

YouTube - Flirting with a Westboro Church man

[stepanstas]

V-G,

I know about the Westbourgh Babtist Church and love watching all clips about them. (I saw the ones you posted already).

Look, If Hillary attended the Wesbourogh church 2 times, she would already lose all your political cretability.

[V-G]

All I am saying is the site you posted a link to is a poor attempt at being funny at a time when funny is just not appropriate. I only watched the first video and needless to say I was not impressed. Did you notice that they have 2,400 visitors and the whole of 8 "digs it"? That should tell you just how "good" they are.

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

Since I live in the most Western point of Ukraine and I'm surrounded by the EU countries from all sides except the border with Ukraine high in mountains, I feel the European trends very well. The right-wing at the moment dominates in Germany, France, Italy and Spain and these are the founders of EU. So it dictates the political climate on entire continent.

Now Max, the EU is a very different thing to Europe. You know as well as I do that just because a country is part of a Union doesn't mean it agrees with the Union in everything. Also you didn't mention the EU until now. Furthermore any country that has a "social security" type system e.g. pensions, health care etc. has socialist tendencies. A right wing country would expect its citizens to fend for themselves with regards to these types of thing, a welfare state is more socialist than it is right wing.

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

I understand though the Australia has interest in US elections, it's quite naturally. Ukrainian interest for example is McCain but the choice should be made only by US citizens of course.

Of course we have an interest, like I have already stated the US has sprouted Free Trade yet does not hold to that, I don't remember who it was but some said something like free trade is secret for getting back at countries who shafted them. How on earth can a country of 22 million people shaft a country of over 300 million people? Yes it is for US citizens to choose, but I see that this Ukraine forum has a bit on it about US politics so I felt it was up for discussion.

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

I still doubt how much the promised Obama's change will be. Consider this:

I think some people read to much into the word "change".

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

1) There is not such thing as "revolutionary" senator because senators belong to highest levels of establishment and establishment is never about the revolutions. So his "revolutionary" image is just theatre play and PR illusion.

Just like the "cool" image Bill Clinton tried to make for himself playing the saxophone in a band. It is theatrics, Hillary constantly waves to people that aren't there and it is simply for a camera shot.

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

2) Obama is organization man of Democratic Party and such people are bounded by corporative ideology. He will never go farer the democratic ideology allows if he will try to change something radically President is just the head of executive power. Fundamental changes go through the Congress and so he will need agreement of republicans and conservative democrats for his projects.

I think if you read through this thread again you will see I have already said something similar.

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

That's why it's hard to imagine his changes will go farer then it will be allowed by Democratic Party - and more then half of democrats resists him, I mean of course Clinton group. Anyway he will need their loyalty in Congress to implement his projects so the theatre battle between Obama and Clinton will end up the day he will become the President and then they just will begin to cooperate.

I'd like to see the stats for the 1/2 of the Democratic party who are resisting him, are you able to show up to date stats on that assertion?

Look at the two candidates, what real difference is there between them with regards to policy? Please don't give me his pastor said so he will do, I am asking about policies that the two people have mentioned so far in this pre election campaign. They are both Democrats, they will only release policies that the Democratic party will allow then to release.

The vote will end up being on who the American people believe will be the best to led them for the next 4 year. It may be a vote about charisma (Hillary has very little with her fake smile and continuous waving). When it comes to an end the American people will have to put up with whoever the people that go and vote, vote for. That is what this is about, nothing ore nothing less.

[stepanstas]

V-G,

The site does not make the vidoes, it just links to them.

I think the first video would make a good commercial.

And yea, not a lot of people have seen or dug the site, so what.