Will Obama be the President and why?

[StormAU]

Originally Posted by Max_the_Highlander

Do you really think Obama will change American system so fundamentally? His change will end up the day he will become the president.

Do Americans think he will reform the 2 party system and constructs a kind of European multi-party pluralism?

Do Americans think he will implement free education, free medicine and state pensions?

Do Americans think he will be perceived very well in Europe which tends to right-wing political ideas?

This is just collection of illusions which will dissolve very fast.

For example, is he really about to change the 2 party system? LOL. He is also a part of current system, he is member of Democratic Party which is interested in keeping the situation with 2 parties.

He will not go too far at least not farer then all democrats go.

Max, who cares? Seriously I mentioned the 2 party system to show that the system in America has enabled this to happen, and what did you do? you have just gone on a rant.

Europe isn't all right wing, Britain is Labour (Socialist), I don't know what the other countries are, as they do nothing for me anyway, and nor do I really care atm. What I do care about is what is happening in countries that do have an affect on mine. Bill Clinton had a negative impact on Australia as his policies were protectionist, he sprouted free trade yet he taxed Australian products sold in America so hard it wasn't funny. GWB is the same, he sprouts free trade but insists on protecting American farmers whose methods are inefficient and they are unable to compete in an open market without government subsidies.

Both of these men have been responsible for placing the planet in very precarious positions. Hillary is married to one and McCain is in the same party as the other. What makes you belive that Hillary and McCain are going to be different to there predecessors? Obama is a fresh change, he is an international man, that means he knows what it is like to be in other countries and he knows what it is like to be an "other".

Now whether you like it or not the American system has allowed Obama to get to where he is today, the American system is backing him in his run for the Presidency. The Super Delegates are getting more behind him as time goes on. What is it about you that makes you think you know better than they do?

As for the American people thinking about what will happen, lets just say that if they really cared they should go and vote, cause when it is all said and done those who don't vote when they have the opportunity really don't have a right to complain about the outcome.

[is5512]

Originally Posted by StormAU

As for the American people thinking about what will happen, lets just say that if they really cared they should go and vote, cause when it is all said and done those who don't vote when they have the opportunity really don't have a right to complain about the outcome.

WHOA there, Sparky! You're getting a bit close to the line there, lol. "If the American people really cared, then they would (insert anything at all here)" is remarkably similar to "If you really Really loved me, then you would (insert phrase that would get this post deleted)."

I'm an American who feels as if we have gotten (see last parenthetical note). All three candidates are the same: completely amoral opportunists. It wouldn't matter if we had the three of them or eighteen political parties putting up amoral opportunists. This race is not about principles, positions or parties. It's about packaging and posturing. (I was graduated Magna Cum Redundant from the American Academy of Alliteration).

IF I bother to vote, I'll probably waste it on a protest vote.

And by the way, when an American politician uses the phrase "free trade," that's code for "a trade policy that looks like America is fighting back against the unfair policies of other nations, but won't upset them enough to make their policies worse."

[bm-21Lemko]

you are correct they don't understand the term free trade or any other economical terms. Free trade is good, if you look at the components of a car you will find the original manufacter buys parts from different companies all over the world. such as a bumper being built in the U.S. by a spanish company or a U.S. company makes a tire over in Germany.

[stepanstas]

Storm, I was a bit off. Not everybody has some racism in them, but i still think its safe to say most do.

My hate for gettoness can sound like hate for blacks. And while i am on the topic, i think Obama is getto (on a small side). You hear him say "hold up, hold up, hold up". And you see some of his had gestures. Recently when Edwards endorced him, he mentioned Hillary and everyone started to boo, Obama started waving his hand to say "cut it out". He ment well, but his gesture is wrong.

If he becomes president, we will see a lot more getto because it will be interpreted as a good thing. Now, everyone is allowed to have their own views and act whichever way they feel, but I dont feel that i should represent the country.

[V-G]

1) From blogger ``hilzoy'' on Obsidian Wings:

``Instead of floating demands in the press and comparing herself to abolitionists and suffragists, she could be telling her supporters that she lost fair and square; that while there was a lot of sexism in the campaign, there was racism as well, and that sexism does not explain why a candidate with literally every institutional advantage over her opponent lost the nomination.

``She could be reaching out to the voters who supported her in places where Obama has had trouble and urging them to vote for him. She could, in a word, be doing the right thing: trying to earn that respect she seems to want. Instead, she's throwing tantrums, making demands that she has no right to make, and threatening civil war.''

2) What do you guys think about McCain's age? At 71 he would be the oldest president elected for the first term in the history of the USA. Does it matter to you?

3) Clinton 'sorry' for RFK reference

US presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton has apologised for evoking Robert Kennedy's 1968 assassination as she argued to continue her nomination bid.

Senator Clinton said she had been attempting to point out that previous campaigns had also continued into June.

Democrat Robert Kennedy was running for his party's presidential nomination when he was shot dead in June 1968.

A spokesman for rival Democrat hopeful, Barack Obama said Mrs Clinton's comment "has no place in this campaign".

Moment of trauma

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Hillary Clinton cites shooting of Robert Kennedy as justification to stay in the US election race - and explains why she said it.

The comments came in a meeting Mrs Clinton was having with the editorial board of the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader newspaper.

Responding to those who had called on her to withdraw from the Democratic Party's presidential race, Mrs Clinton said: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June... We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it."

Observers say the remarks could be damaging if people were to interpret them as an indication that Mrs Clinton believes the assassination of her rival would benefit her campaign.

The New York senator later expressed her regret at any offence her comments may have caused.

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation - and in particular the Kennedy family - was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever."

In the race for the Democratic nomination, Mr Obama has so far won more of the delegates who will choose the party's candidate at a National Convention in August.

He is now just 56 delegates short of the number needed to clinch the nomination.

The next contest will be a primary in the US territory of Puerto Rico on 1 June, before the final two votes take place in Montana and South Dakota on 3 June.
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BBC NEWS | Americas | Clinton 'sorry' for RFK reference

Published: 2008/05/23 23:08:30 GMT

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[stepanstas]

2) I don't think age matters. As you might know I supported Dennis Kucinich and he was old (nice young wife though). I think that when it comes to elections most of the times the older the wiser. McCain does have a lot of experience on his back.

I think experience matters in a campaign.

P.S. Check out Kucinich's wife

[V-G]

I probably said it before, but she is too short for him