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[Max_the_Highlander]

Originally Posted by Albatross

Max, you suggested above that rise of the olicharchs was the result of capitalist government policy. I disagree and maintain that unfair privitisation practices in the past created the olicharchs. It's possible that the privitisation process is handled better now, however that's irrelevant for my argument (but not irrelevant for ukraine of-course.)

It's a kind of truth, many assets were given out before the OR almost for nothing. But I don't believe in completely fair capitalism. It goes through ugly forms. But since OR oligarches already doubled their stats so government policy is still capitalist and even more capitalist. The rules of game became more honest though.

Now such tricks are already impossible the control over privatisation is very hard - parties, state, journalists. Now state sells Ukrtelecom (it's state phone service company, monopoly in many aspects) and everything is very transparent, it seems as everybody is watching what are they doing there.

This is a purely theoretical discussion, but we still disagree. Shareholders are not necessarily involved in running a company on a day to day basis. If your claim was truth, all publicly listed companies would be in trouble. They aren't because management and ownership are seperated.

It's truth about separation between the management and ownership but sometimes the decisions should be made (accordingly to organisational documents) by all shareholders when every action is voting. How would you perform that if there are 49 millions of shareholders?

Besides the laws of life will turn such utopia into real life anyway... Some rich professional players will buy all those shares very fast from mere people so you will got regular scheme anyway - when pie is shared between huge stock players and investors.

[OSINACHI]

Originally Posted by V-G

Even hearing this idiot on TV one can tell that her patriotism is fake - the fool has strong Russian accent. But she has the most Ukrainian of all haircuts and had one for years. I think she is the biggest lier in Ukraine... discuss.

YouTube - Tymoshenko did not sleep all night because of Yushchenko.

How would you rate Tymoshenko and Hillary Clinton?

Most men do not like Amazons.

[V-G]

Originally Posted by OSINACHI

How would you rate Tymoshenko and Hillary Clinton?

Most men do not like Amazons.

Rating two ladies... well, Hillary gets a very high score (you pick the scale) and Yulya gets a FAIL.

As to men not liking Amazons, please elaborate.

[OSINACHI]

You know how much Senator Hillary Clinton is hated in America, yet more people voted for her than her rivals.
If 18 million people like me enough to vote for me, then those who hate me can eat the sour grapes of wrath.
The point is, there are more millions of Ukrainians who like Tymoshenko enough to vote for her than those who hate her.

We cannot please everybody.

[d_zol]

Last statement sounds reasonable. The thing is that sometimes we've got the situations when Hillary or Yulia look like the only persons in governments who really has balls for making decision and providing them in life.

[stepanstas]

Serhii,

I was on vacation for 2 weeks at the end of June and when I came back this forum had like 2 posts per day. I still check in and reply to the good stuff.

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The sad thing is that Tymoshenko can do anything she wants and still get away with it and still have the support. Very sad. I would not be surprised if he ran for president next term. I would want Yushchenko again though. I just don't think that he will make it because people were not supportive of him since day 2 of his presidency. They wanted things to change on his first day. Long story.

I like it when they are together because they can get a lot done, but I don't think Yushchenko likes being with her. He's just forced into it.

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I first supported Dennis Kucinich and then he dropped out. Now i'm supporting Bob Barr. He's the only hope as of now. I think I can convince my family to vote for him.

YouTube - A Real Choice
Bob Barr 2008 ⌡ Issues

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Hope to see you around more.