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Old 10th December 2002, 09:34
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Zbyszek,
I lived always in the West - but what I heard from my parents and other ukrainian -
Saint-Nicholas day was and is still also celibrated in Ukraine - children received little gifts
My mother was raised by her brothers and sisters as her parents died when she was 3 years old - but still she is telling how hard live was, there was always a little suprise under her pillow on that special day.
In Ukraine they to celebrate there personal day (nameday) as connected with their patron's name.
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Zbyszek,
I lived always in the West - but what I heard from my parents and other ukrainian -
Saint-Nicholas day was and is still also celibrated in Ukraine - children received little gifts
My mother was raised by her brothers and sisters as her parents died when she was 3 years old - but still she is telling how hard live was, there was always a little suprise under her pillow on that special day.
In Ukraine they to celebrate there personal day (nameday) as connected with their patron's name.
Hanja
Thank you Hanja for your explanation. Basically, it is similar like in Poland, where Santa comes twice - on Dec. 6 as well as on the Christmas Eve. I wish you a lot of good gifts from Santa this year! I left a greeting also for you in the Guest Book.
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Kasper, I will give it to you but first I would ask you for something important, not only for you but for all thirty something persons I referenced in the Guest Book.
I will address my request to you before December 24.
BTW, I have alreday given my e-mail to one of 31. In the meantime, you can use your computer talent to find it.
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Old 24th December 2002, 11:28
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ORTHODOX UKRAINIAN CHRISTMAS

I have now got involved on this thread before, but was intrigued to read the list of '12 Christmas dishes'. My daughter and I have been going to Ukraine for Summer Camps since 1995, but we spend Christmas 1999 with our friends and they took us around a little village (45 minutes outside Chernivtsi) on Chrsitmas eve.

About 25 of us - with a piano accordian and a guitar - sung carols to all the houses with lights in the window (a sign of 'welcome') and were then invited in to partake of all the goodies. This was novel for us-(loved all the different flavours) and amazing for the dear people in the little 'datcha' style homes, because none of them had ever met English people before.

The joy to us was not only taking the message of the Gospel of Jesus (just in the carols) but in the sheer unexpectedness of it all. It was magic for Catherine and I and I can remember looking up into a sky so cold, clear and bright (without light degredation as we have in England) that we could almost (as it were) look into heaven !!

It is often the simplest things that bring the greatest happiness. That night will never be forgotten.

My respects and christmas love to all.

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Old 24th December 2002, 12:05
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CHRISTMAS

Wish everybody a very, very nice Christmas and lets hope that something of this Christmas we will find back during the whole year 2003.
Thanks for everybodies participation and for the wise and sometimes very nice words of you all.

MERRY CHRISTMAS

KHRISTOS NARODYWSIA.

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Old 28th December 2002, 23:26
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Quoted by Andrewblow:
The joy to us was not only taking the message of the Gospel of Jesus (just in the carols) but in the sheer unexpectedness of it all. It was magic for Catherine and I and I can remember looking up into a sky so cold, clear and bright (without light degradation as we have in England) that we could almost (as it were) look into heaven !!

Hi Andrew, I liked your description. I remember the freshness of my own experience of a meeting with a group of Dutch students in the south of Poland. We all were surprised at how easily we can communicate one with another with our poor knowledge of English.
I would like to tell you that I have just returned from the musical/poetic meeting, arranged in one of the new-built Warsaw churches. A group of musicians were invited along with a singer (woman) and an actor. We had a wonderful time together, singing Christmas carols and listening to poetry associated with the Christmas Holiday. I loved one of the poetic parallels that a little donkey carried Mary, treading as carefully as if he carried a prayer. It was a magic, inspiring event. Irena Santor, in her late sixties now , is a living legend of the Polish song. Her name, along with Alla Pugachova(SU), Karel Gott and Helena Vondrackova (Czech) was well known in the communist countries (maybe some of you can recognize these names). Christopher Kolberger, an outstanding actor, proved that the uttered words can sound like the sweetest melodies. Ancient and regional language was particularly appealing.
It was nice to realize once again that Christmas carols were created on more than one layer. The upper layer was composed for the courts and the lower layers for the poor. The popular tradition, much similar for Poland and Ukraine, created a simple birth myth as connected with maternity. According to popular belief, Jesus was not born among Pretorians but here, somewhere between Kyiv and Warsaw, and hay was indispensable to protect Him against a harsh East European winter. Christmas tree? No one heard of this German discovery until XIXth century. In Poland (maybe in Ukraine also?) there are special Christmas performances called yaselka (mangers). There is a widespread tradition of arranging special huts (shopka) resembling the place where Jesus was born. Beautiful shopka is displayed in the market square in Cracow every end of the year. Kolenda/kolyada was a kind of generous gift for the poor in the beginning, then its meaning was transformed into a carol. The other kolyadas were created by famous poets and played at royal or aristocratic courts. There are also pastoralki, popular merry religious songs praising the newborn Lord and His Mother.

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