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[worldjohn]

I am a 33 year old canadian man who will be travelling to the Ukraine this year. It would be nice to have some freinds their. Also can some please tell me what are the poorest regions and cities or towns in the ukraine?

[Silkrem]

Hello John!
Two my colleagues have left Ukraine for Canada the last year. And two this year. So welcome to Ukraine.
Give me your e-mail address, I will give you some info on Ukraine.
Best wishes.

How is your spring? Only this week became warm weather.

[worldjohn]

thanks for your reply. Anyone who wants to give me information on the Ukraine can write me at worldjohn@mailcity.com I think I want to marry a Ukrainian woman. (I don't know who yet) Is this a good idea?

[Irene1972]

the samller the town the poorer it is. There's alos a difference between Western an dEastern Ukraine. Westerners seem to have more money but have a much better use of it living even in the villages in nice wooden houses while eastern guys have shabby and ugly houses in the villages. For some reason girls in Western Ukraine are slimmer and faster. Don't really know why.

As for finding a girl in Ukraine be careful not to get scammed. I used to work for dating agency and had one myself and it all stinks. I know many wonderful single girls who woudl never come to dating agency though they feel lonely. I also met scores of " brides" coming to our agency to find a wealthy sponsor and abiding in teh agency for years meeting different men and living on their account. All in all who will not believe stories about sick relatives and unpaid electric bills? But who knows that he's not the first and nto teh last one to be brought home to show an ill mother "in need of operation"? The guy gives his money, then the next one, next... and the mother is still having her problem. This is only one of the stories I eyewitnessed and even had to act as a transltor. Later I couldnt' stand it anymore and left.
If you decide to use an agency please in no way contact www.odessabrides.com and www.blackseasingles.com there're a few otehrs. They even have sponsors in America and good reputation. But I used to work with them and know the truth. I can pont out on teh girls in their phto gallery who for sure have boy-frineds or husbands here in Odessa or those who are in the ageny not th first year and correspond or at least used to with a soooooo many guys.

Anyway, be careful with girls here. There's a chance you'll find a scammer. Though sincere girls are also waiting you.

[naprapath]

I wish to reply to Irene1972 who suggests that Odessabrides and blackseasinles are scams. I actually married a wonderful woman from Blackseasingles! She is living with me in America and I am the happiest person alive. Sure, I had many many concerns about being scammed and about the money I was spending on her. However, when I figured out my expenses for the translation costs, the emails, the gifts and other little costs - it was MUCH less than when I used to go out on dates with women (usually anywhere from 50 to 100 dollars EACH DATE at a good restaurant! ! ! I am sure that there are insincere women at EVERY agency and that the girls don't mind that several men are courting them at the same time ... doesn't this happen in our own neighborhood??? I must say that my wife admits to having several (if not more) people corresponding with her. Once I went to Odessa to visit her, and then proposed, she took her name off the "active" list and thus only corresponded with me. We both had our concerns and reservations about this relationship - it was a HUGE shock for her to come to America. But we did it and we are very happy and I know at least people who come from Blackseasingles who are living in America happily with their new spouses. Please, Irene, don't let some bad seeds spoil others happiness by disrepecting the entire agency(s) when many people came to find the love of their lives by the same agency. PS - Numerous of these couples attended our wedding and they are from all over the states! Ciao!

[Irene1972]

there's no doubt you may have married a girl thru one of these agencies. I know many others.
Now let me tell you the story and you judge if its' scam or not. I really never wanted to write this and raise the whole issue.
I haven't yet saw an honest business in our country. But when it goes about
business made on other people's feelings than there's a great temptation to
violate them in order to receive more money. As for the agencies "with a
stunning reputation" as they claim it's more about a professionalism of
workers and how they present themselves. To make a client feel fulfilled and
grateful for the services and to leave him ignorant about the negative sides
requires professional approach. The agencies where I worked (the above mentioned) received a lot of
good reports and letters of gratitude and no one client knew that if we
found a man who was willing to pay money for correspondence then we didn't
let him go even if a girl lost her interest in a while or became more
interested in another gentleman she corresponded with. In this case we
composed letters for her (with her total consent) and she only knew what was
written and now and again was giving news about her life. At the end she
agreed to meet the man (and why not if she could go to a good restaurant for
free and possibly receive some gifts?). At the beginning we placed a girl on
many sites, mostly free but also some good sites such as One and Only and
received a good flow of letters. Of course we always selected young an nice
looking girls, preferably with not more than one child. As the girl herself
was not able to answer all the letters which at the beginning came in
dozens in a day) our "professionals" got down to work. We together with a
girl and with her consent composed six standard letters, only for her adn
when letters arrived we sent standard plus answered questions, commented on
photos sent, responded to other things mentioned in the letter to make it
look absolutely personal. A hell job but almost no client suspected it was
but a standard which was sent to many other people adn everybody was happy.
A girl could not even show at the agency but just give us calls and approve
of our novels we have written. One of the letters was intended to be
romantic and those translators who were not particularly good at composing
romantic letters (usually guys) borrowed them from me or other translators.
We worked sometimes even on Sundays because to read every letter from this
huge traffic and try not to miss any question and make the reply (standard)
look personal takes a lot of time and effort. Sometimes we had to write a
personal letter because no standard fitted. But the results were marvellous.
When we felt a client became emotionally attached to a girl (good job!) we
wrote him a warm heartfelt letter (usually it takes lots of practice, a
client gild is not able to write that well and sincere) and at teh end
added, just among the other things: "I want to ask you a question though I
feel a bit awkward to talk about it. What do you think about me paying for
our correspondence? I don't mean to offend you , just want to know your
opinion. And, you know, guys responded great, exactly like we wanted. If
they refused to help then we just broke with them. If they sent money we
continued correspondence with them on behalf of a girl whether she was
interested in a guy or not. But we talked sternly wit ha girl and she
promised to talk to the guy on the phone and to at least meet him. We did
our part adn a girl was supposed to do her part. All the clients coming were
very happy and grateful and I don't remember any of them who even suspected
anything bad. No, there was one guy but only because a girl told him. She
said it was unfair we made money on this guy and she didn't so she decided to
retaliate. Later he bought her a computer and she corresponded with him
personally while doing paperwork to another guy.
Well, to cut a long story short I came to Christ and felt I couldn't go this
way any longer. I felt filthy participating in these activities though the
money was very good. I tried to talk to a stuff to explain how I feel in
hope to receive understanding but these very guys who used to be so close ot
me, my friends didn't understand me at all. One of them said plainly: "You
receive $$$. What else do you want? Many others would dream to be on your
place." I became very depressed and one day said I was leaving the agency.
Everybody was shocked. But as I was no longer a part of the company they
didn't give me my last salary.

For months I was so eager to write a book telling about all the possible
scams dating agencies and female clients do, tell about all my experience, I
even managed to meet one British guy who was interested in writing such book
with me but we couldn't find a publisher interested in the project.
Publishing book via Internet also requires a lot of investment and the
project was not finished. Later I cooled down a little and my only desire
was to forget about my past experience. But I swore that if I can help sb
with my experience and save him from scam and fraud I will do it. Of course
many people who I knew personally used the services of the agency and now are
married. I did translation for quite a few such people. But none of them
knows the other side of the coin.

Again, I never wanted to write this. The more so that it can have a negative effect on me. In addition, I"m not vindictive at all. But your reply made me do so.


[Edited by Irene1972 on 5th July 2003 at 09:16]

[odon]

hey guys...out looking for ukranian women, have you forgotten the old way of just asking the lady you fancy out for a coffee and starting a conversation.....???

I have found that the girls are quiet open to a tea or coffea suggestion.............why depend on agencies....??

The old saying....the fun is in the chase...!!

cherio...