HOMOSEXUALITY

[B_Ungaro]

Greetings,
This subject came up on the Open Board. I figured that we just leave it there. As you probably know a couple of people have been
called Homosexuals on this board or in the
chatroom. Let us talk about the subject.
I get offended by the Nellies who have to have a Parade to celebrate their sexuality.
The Nellies are what millitant homosexuals are called. The way I see it, Heidi and I get pretty friendly, but we don't expect a
Parade on Main Street. On the other hand,
I also have a dear friend who is openly a homosexual and is in a commited relationship
with his partner.
In my opinion if it was not for the Nellies
and the Christian Zelots, homosexuality would not be an issue.
Last week the Texas Courts have ruled that
the Texas Laws on SODOMY are against the
Constitution. Imagine that. Now come the Christians and they are saying, well, it might not be illegal, but it is still a sin.
On one hand we have the Nellies who insist on a Parade, on the other hand we have the Christians who insist on imposing their
morality on everybody else. Secular laws are just not enough, we need to deal with sin.
What is sin anyway? Is it a sin to kill
people because they are homosexuals? Is it a sin when the Rev. Falwell places homosexuals in the same category with Murderes or the Mentally Ill? Do we need this kind of venom?
I guess the next logical question is, why are some people homosexuals. Because of my friend, I have been reading on this subject for some time. Based on what I've read, and the observations I have made on my friends life-style, I am convinced that he was born as a homosexual. If that is the case, the Christians must deal with the fact that he too was created by GOD.(according to their faith) When Science identifies the born difference, (as it will) between homoxesuals and heterosexuals, one more little mosaic will have fallen into place.
Do I think that all homosexuls or homosexual acts are dictated by innate powers. No, I do not. I think that some people actually choose this life style. It's not against the law.
What do you think? I will be interested to hear your views. Please keep it civil.

[johnstruthers]

Since I was the one who was assaulted by the topic Bill refers to, I should say something. I agree with Bill on all points here. I don't happen to be gay. I have a sister who is, and a lifelong friend who is. My understanding from both, and others of my acquaintance, is that this is a condition of life, cannot be changed at will, comes with no special talents attached, nor excludes any talents. It shouldn't mean diddly.

I took umbrage because the assertion was an assault intended to besmirch me, and subtract weight from my words in these forums (after all, it's just that old fairy talking again). Like the "N" word, which is used almost affectionately by blacks among themselves, but is deliberately denigrating when used by whites, the term "gay" is used as an assaultive in such instances.

The Christians draw on St. Paul for their prejudices on this matter. Those who aren't "selling" that variety of Christianity, but who are schooled, know that theologians have been trying to pull St. Paul's head out of his butt for 17 centuries now. Blame the Church Fathers, who chose the selections that were to be included, and excluded, in Scripture. They intended that its shortcomings would be ameliorated by Tradition and Prayer.

The views fashionable with Jerry Falwell and company included scriptural support for racism of the most vicious sort not that long ago. It's part of the folly of those who absconded with "Christianity," breaking from the Orthodox (Right Belief) Church yea many centuries ago. They're doomed to creating ever newer prejudices and strange prophesies from a dumbed-down, but highly saleable, literalist view of Holy Writ. It doesn't require much thinking, prayerful introspection, or real generosity of spirit, but it keeps 'em down on the farm, and keeps the collection plate full.

I can't tell you the number of ministers I've heard say, "I can't sell that to my congregation," after interfaith conferences on subjects that intend to bring people together, but run against the grain of ingrained prejudices.

[Lilly]

I have nothing against homosexuality. However, I take offence when their behaviour is unbecomming. For example:
The other evening, I was enjoying a pleasant dinner with a companian at the local "Appleby's" restaurant.

Behind us in a large circular booth were four lesbian couples. The "dykes" behaved like uncouth redneck truck drivers, practically snorting, guffawing and generally being obnoxious. The lipstick lesbians were behaving in a very unladylike fashion. All in all they were crude,loud, noisy and discussing sexual topics and eventually changed the subject to the detailed accounts of people they knew who vomited, and other disgusting habits. Others were making out and necking right in plain view. One couple was feeding each other a caesar salad from each other's mouth! Ugh!

My companion and I could not hear each other over the cacaphony behind us.

My question is this: If the dykes or butch lesbians hate men, why to they behave like the worse of uncouth men so much?

Why do a lot of people (men and women) find it erotic and exciting to watch two women making love, where as many are disgusted at the thought of two men making love?

I personally like gay men over gay women as friends. I once had a best friend who was a gay dwarf who owned a jewellry store. Just think how rough he had it in the late 70's!

A gay man will tell you if your slip is showing or if what you are wearing is not right. A woman will let you walk about and say nothing.

I believe that sexual preference is genetic.

LillyNomad

[stevenholty]

I'll respond to Lilly briefly - I understand what you're saying about the scene in the restraunt the women were making. I think what I have to say will help make your point.

The restraunt scene you encountered had to do with their ignorance, not their sexual preference. Would you agree?


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Steven P.

[stevenholty]

Gays facinates me. Why would God do such a thing? I like to brainstorm answers.

1. God made many animals. Humans are the only ones that can CHOOSE not to procreate. Why?

2. Humans are at the top of the food chain, if there's too many of us, there's chaos and several of us starve.

3. Perhaps homosexuality is really God's way of controling the population.

4. God is love, right? Why can't the holy rollers trust that? (let's call gay sex what it really is - two people giving and receiving love from each other)

5. Some of the holy rollers have claimed gay sex is wrong because God wants us to procreate and that is what sex should be used for, otherwise it's a sin (condoms, birthcontrol, etc are also a sin in most of their books), so how about women after menopause? Is it a sin for these women to give and receive love from their husbands after menopause?

6. Come on, parades? The militant homosexuals are doing the same things to themselves that the militant feminists did to themselves about 10-20 years ago. The gays of the world are going to have to practice tolerance. The gays need a Marin Luther King to help them along.

Talk to me -



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Steven P.

[tyssian]

Y'all are probably going to start hating me, but I do not care where God's word is concerned. I am so tired of people mis-quoting or mis-informing about the Bible! If you have never read it, please do not assume that you know what is in it! Because everyone of you on this topic are way off base, concerning the Word of God. I am not trying to force my convictions down someone elses throat. I am presenting God's word on this issue and if you don't like it, that is your beef with God. You'll see when the Lord returns! First of all I would like to say, whoever (I can't recall who said it) said that the "theologians" have been trying to pull the apostle Paul's head out of his rear for the last 17 centuries, find me the scripture in which he sticks his foot in his mouth (nicer way of putting it) and we will discuss it. If you are going to say something, of that important of an issue, I suggest you back it up with scripture and not hearsay. Next, I will say that only a "part-time" Christian would struggle with why homosexuality is a SIN! The Bible, which in another topic (on the religious board) I have discussed it's validity, is very clear on the issue of homosexuality, Romans 1:31 and 2nd Timothy 3:3 both speak of unnatural affection as a sin, these are further supported by Romans 1:26-27 in describing it as wrong and clarifying what the UNERRING apostle Paul refers to as unnatural affection or without natural affection. This is New Testament. The Old Testament refers to homosexuality with the same attitude. Leviticus 18:22 addresses the issue of homosexuality and after that verse the Bible deals with beastiality! Also in Genesis the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were steeped in sin, of which homosexuality is a part. In Genesis 19 it speaks of the men of Sodom wanting to "know" the two Angels at Lot's home. The context that the word "know" was used in, was sexual and the Angels were male. Nowhere in the Bible do Angels appear as women or do they have wings! Seriphim and Cherubim have wings but not Angels. In fact the word sodomy comes from Sodom! So as far as I am concerned it is quite clear on how the Bible views homosexuality and if people do not like it they can deny the truth but it does not change the fact that they will answer to the Lord for their actions. Also I will say, in response to an attitude I see prevailing concerning God, He (God) is not a befuddled old man, unconcerned with the world, nor is He a peer to us, in which we will astound Him with our reasoning concerning moral issues! God never asked anyone to figure out whether what He said was right or wrong to them. He commanded us to obey without question, period!
I will now address the issue of God being love and so if two men love each other then it has to be alright with God! Well my friends, or enemies, this is another simple issue. GOD WILL NOT VIOLATE HIS OWN HOLY SCRIPTURE WHICH IS HIS BREATHED WORD AND BY DOING SO WOULD MAKE HIMSELF OUT TO BE A LIAR OF WHICH, BY HIS NATURE ALONE, HE CANNOT BE. And the scripture which refers to God being love 1st John, chapter 4, verses 7-8, only says in a nutshell that you cannot love without God! It does not give any liscense to homosexual acts.
And about homosexuals being equated with murderers or the like. Sin is sin and if you violate the smallest part of the law then you are guilty of all the law. This is scriptural but it is showing man that he cannot attain righteousness through himself but must obtain it through Jesus Christ and Him alone.
Lastly, these redneck people who claim that the Bible is racially biased in favor of white people are just plain ignorant and are stretching verses to fit their own deranged points of view. But I will say it is every person's responsibility to seek the truth and either reject it or accept it on his own. You will not be justified on judgement day by the fact that you say "I didn't like what this person said concerning Christianity, so I didn't feel I should have to hear what Jesus said." These racists will be judged accordingly and you will be judged according to what you have done for Jesus Christ, as will I. Again we are accountable for our own actions!
That is all.

[andrewblow]

You tell it like it is, man. - Your're going to go a long way.....not down everybody's road, but yo already know that !!