Why preach Islam on Ukrainian discussion board?

[Lina]

Kaz, I have nothing against your protecting your religion. Though, most of your messages whetehr you want it or not carry "an Islam is a true religion" caracter, which does sound a lot like preaching, and is ofensive in its nature to other religions!
Plus, your idea of protecting Islam often translates into attacking Christianity back and therefore escaping the direct answer!

You are being patient and polite to other members...It trully deserves some respect! I was never interested in Islam and I'm not too interested in religion in general, though there are some things that worsen my picture about Muslim world. And it was not reading Nonson or anybody else of those you call "ofenders of Islam". It's about reading your own postings!(I guess you protection gave an opposite effect) I was a little shocked by the fact how you picture Western World! How far away from reality your picture is and it seems like your total incapability to accept some corrections from the people who actually live here! Because these corrections contradict with the theory that probably famous Islamic ministers say! which in it's turn makes everybody arguing with you look like a lier or an ofender of your beliefs. It was really a rude awakaning for me!

P.S. I think it will be smarter to keep all religion discussions in the Religion section as much as possible!

[Edited by Lina on 17th March 2001 at 09:16]

[kazanova3]

will why VC PUT religion boards???? .. i have my own reasons to be on this board... or this board have discrimination towards other mankind? .. or people whomm not live in kiyv are not allowed to use this board?? WHAT ERA WE LIVE these days??? forest era?... ????//// if we are are asking such question like that . iam sure that one day no one allowed to use this board UNLESS HE IS SPEAKING UKRAINiAN LANGUAGE?? by the way don't worry .. i lost allot of this language since i spent my life fare away from?......... (meer)......and best regards. kaz

[Pierogies_4_Life]

Excuse me for my outbreak of temperness but I was rather angry at something I have heard from the news. I don't have anything against you or neither Islam. But as I have stated before I don't think you should be preaching about your Religion so much because unlike you, some people have been affected by the Muslims. My family has been too. And it's because of people like you who try to preach that Islam is the best.

One of my relatives went to Kazahstan to set up some business deal with some one there. He was shot at and wounded by a Muslim because my relative wore a Christian cross. The Muslim yelled out to hell with you Christians Allah will kill you all you white bastards and he started shooting with a Kalashnikov assault rifle.

Another incident, one of my far away relatives who happened to be Jewish. He was a hero of the Polish Underground. He fought for the Armia Krajowa in the Warsaw Uprising then against the Communist Stalinists rapist invaders. Before the Communists took over he got a chance to escape to Israel.

One day when he was walking from home a group of Palestinian armed teenagers forced him to kneel against the wall of a building. Before they murdered him they called him a stupid jew, and that "it was a shame that Adolf Hitler did not succeed in killing all of the jews". After that from a report I have heard. They started to yell Heil Hitler all over the place. They were soon caught by the Mossad and sentenced to Death. Thank God!

So please I hope that you have learned something about how I feel about Muslims. Not you in perticular but most. I dislike them greatly and it's rather personal. I haven't made any anti-muslim posts on this or any other forum. So I suggest you stop preaching at this forum. I don't mind if you preach on your own time. But after all this is Ukraine. Com and I have never seen you make any posts relating to Ukraine.

So if someone states a comment about Islam he has a God given right to do so because unlike an Arabic country. The internet is a free place. You could practicly speak your mind if you want. So if someone offends Islam, don't take it personally. Okay? Agreed?

[Pierogies_4_Life]

BTW Kaz. If your going to talk about someone you may try to use something else then the word "He" because it would seem to me that you supporting male superiority. I'm a male but I belive that females have equal rights and are by far more superior then their counterparts. Of course thats my idea.

[Pierogies_4_Life]

BTW personally I don't really care about your perfect picture. I have a friend who is a Theologist, I have been studying his reports about religion. I have read some passages from your holy book. Personally I don't really care. I have been a Roman Catholic all my life. I have always tolerated other religions even if their people have been doing wrong.

And by the way Don't judge Religion by it's people! Judge it by the Scripture? From what I read your religion must make all the Muslim countries a paradise.

Like Lina stated, Ukraine is not a Muslim country. If you want to preach about your religion or give your "Perfect picture" go to the people who are interested in listening. I'm very tollarant but when a person wants to give a perfect picture to someone who has their opinion already, it's rude, it's arrogant and it's also ignorant.

To me your very arrogant to say that Allah is the creator especially since this forum is mostly Christian. Like I stated your Allah is based on the Christian and Judaic God but the scriptures are tempered to seem that everything you do is holy.

KAz when a person has an opinion you should first respect that person and respect their opinion. Because you will gain absolutely nothing if you start preaching. It's rude and it's arrogant on your part. If that person wants to think that way. SO BE IT! Let him be.

If your not going to respect the religion of other peoples I suggest you go somewhere else. Because to many of us Muslims are seen as terrorists and people who want to kill others. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, it doesn't necessairly have to be informed!

Thank You!

[kazanova3]

first iam so sorry to hear such stories you told me about .AT THE SAME TIME I CAN'T FORGET THE PICTURE OF THE PALASTINANN BOY WHO WAS CRING NEAR HIS FATHER AND HE KILLED BY JEWSH FORCES.. but is that mean we had to hate others religions (instead of talking and discusse the religion of each other).wht happened .happened and we can't retain it back.dear p4l REAL MUSLIM DON'T KILL UNLESS IF HE HAD TO DEFEND HIMSELF FROM OTHERS ENEMY?? simply because WE knew that ALLAH(GOD)WILL PUNISH US BECAUSE ALLAH TOLD US.THIS

--151 Say: come, I will rehearse what God hath (really) prohibited you from: join not anything as equal with him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want; we provide sustenance for you and for them; come not nigh to shameful deeds, whether open or secret; take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth he command you, that ye may learn wisdom.-- QURA'AN 6/VERSE 151

--- Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).

33 Nor take life which God has made sacred except for just cause. and if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).

34 Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the day of reckoning).

35 Give full measure when ye measure, and weigh with a balance that is straight: that is the most fitting and the most advantageous in the final determination.

36 And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the day of reckoning).

37 Nor walk on the earth with insolence: for thou canasta not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height.

38 Of all such things the evil is hateful in the sight of thy Lord.


HAVE A NICE TIME... TO YOU AND THE OTHERS ... KAZ

[Pierogies_4_Life]

tell me one thing Kaz! If it's a sin to commit adultery how come some in Islam have 40 wives? Isn't that adultery? It's illegal in all countries but arabic ones? How come? If it's a sin to commit adultery how can you have 20 or 40 wives at the same time?