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Old 16th June 2008, 16:11
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Is not democracy uzurping too much?

I agree with Lvivske although I do not know the details which can be critical for establishing just opinion on the matter. Next step would be to ban the Bible itself for hateful attitude and then democratically proclaim that there is no God. It will be valid for the 51/49 outcome! The God's behaviour and intentions could also be democratically assessed commandment by commandment. It shows us how crippled democracy is. It seems that Canada's law is crippled as well.

[but then, in the next parliamentary period, maybe they will change their minds????]

I also do agree that the word 'racism' is not adequate to describe the priest's attitude against homosexuals. Did he express it only within the shrine walls or also in TV, radio or elsewhere?
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Old 16th June 2008, 19:33
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It will be valid for the 51/49 outcome!
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Old 23rd June 2008, 02:37
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I agree with Lvivske although I do not know the details which can be critical for establishing just opinion on the matter. Next step would be to ban the Bible itself for hateful attitude and then democratically proclaim that there is no God. It will be valid for the 51/49 outcome! The God's behaviour and intentions could also be democratically assessed commandment by commandment. It shows us how crippled democracy is. It seems that Canada's law is crippled as well.

[but then, in the next parliamentary period, maybe they will change their minds????]

I also do agree that the word 'racism' is not adequate to describe the priest's attitude against homosexuals. Did he express it only within the shrine walls or also in TV, radio or elsewhere?
In his church to the congregation. I don't recall reading the bible where Jesus preached hate other than the general hatred for the Jews by others.

It is still abuse to teach your children hate, be it racism of colour, religion or for people with diminished mental capacity.
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Old 23rd June 2008, 21:15
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The "Hatred approach" does not explain the Bible well

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In his church to the congregation. I don't recall reading the bible where Jesus preached hate other than the general hatred for the Jews by others.

It is still abuse to teach your children hate, be it racism of colour, religion or for people with diminished mental capacity.
Hi Lilly, I think we should not omit what was said in the Bible just because of current political/social correctness in mind. Sodomy is condemned in the Bible in the overt way. Hatred is not a good word when explaining what is inside the Bible. Hatred belongs to the world of emotions and the God is deprived of emotion. His words look like commandments instead. I am sure that the Canadian law is quite contemporary and it is deprived of historic context while the bible commandments show universal approach. It would be erroneous to judge old time people by today's standards. Biblical people were dramatically under-informed. We are generally over-informed nowadays and we often show over-sensitiveness. You should have in mind that we are heavily backed up the modern technology and it modifies our thinking so much. Canadian law is being created by the people of today and it surely lacks universal approach. I sure it will change much in next hundred years. The current Canadian law would be completely useless in the biblical world while the biblical law could be effictive even now to some degree.
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Old 29th June 2008, 17:49
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Many believe that the Bible contains the answers to "all or most of life's basic questions" . So can we teach the Bible without causing a whole cascade of problems? The problem is that there will be abuses.

Undoubtedly, teaching that homosexuality is a sin in the Bible in many places will include all sorts of constitutionally impermissible conduct . We need to understand our past to avoid repeating mistakes.

I do NOT agree that we should instill fear and hatred into the hearts of the innocents. This is the same tactic used by the Palestinians to teach their children to hate the Infidels.

"The birth of prejudice lies in teaching".
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Old 29th June 2008, 17:55
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I also wanted to add that I have to say that though parents have the right to think what they want I don't believe anyone should be able to poison their childs mind with hate, bigotry, or lies. A child doesn't have the same filters on their perceptions to distinguish what is fact and what is false.

I hope one day that no parent is allowed to brainwash a child into their way of thinking including; racism, sexism, religion, political affiliation, or anything else that is quite frankly a matter of opinion. A child should be taught but always given a balanced view and left to choose their own path or at the very least left to grow up and then if they choose to accept a BS idea then they at least weren't tricked into it.

I taught my children to always question, even the lessons I teach them, and find their own set of ideas and beliefs. I don't have the ego that I feel I need another clone of me running around thinking and acting exactly the same as me.
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Old 29th June 2008, 22:34
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I think this family has full right to believe in what they do.

It's there choice.
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