People of the Carpathians

[Yaroslaw_K]

Hi All,

During a recent trip of mine to Ukraine, I experienced the great fortune of traveling to the Carpathian Mountains. There I witnessed a very beautiful part of the Ukrainian countryside. I was also really impressed with the folk art I saw there-≈beautifully colored psyanka eggs, the elaborate embroideries, the round ⌠mushroom■ boxes, etc., etc. I believe most of the items I purchased while in Ukraine actually came from this region of the country.

I am very curious, however, about the people that live in this part of Ukraine. They are normally referred to as Hutsuls. I am curious to know if Ukrainians from other parts of the country sometimes poke fun at these people. The reason why I ask is because the whole time I was there, my friends (from Chernivtsi) jokingly refer to them as ⌠Hutsulis,■ and were constantly poking fun at their dialect. I personally found the people to be quite interesting for some reason. These people are very proud of their culture and language.

[Kathy]

My grandfather (God rest his soul) was a descendant of Hutsuls, my grandmother, God rest her soul, was born in Ukraine and was a Boyko. People from Chernivtsi are Bukovintsi - they did, among the old people, make fun of each other's accents and dialects although frankly, they are all very similar, with some regional differences. Boykos spoke, I think the "purest" Ukrainian, at least among the old generation, I don't know now, as so much Ukrainian language is influenced by Russian, even in Western Ukraine.

[Edited by Kathy on 5th December 2002 at 07:23]

[Zbyszek]

Hi Kathy, when I was in the Carpathinas last year and I attended a Greek Catholic mass, I listened to a "svyashchennik" (GC priest) very carefully and I had no basic problem in understanding his wishes directed to a young couple. I am not sure whether he spoke pure Ukrainian or was it influenced by the Polish neighbourhood. I have an impression now that Ukrainian is the language which is closest to Polish. I wonder whether in the USA or Canada you have the same impression. I'd like to point out that Polish in America is somewhat influenced by English.
The other day I watched a programme in the Polish TV on Volhynia and when the local Ukrainians started to speak. I had an impression that they inserted Polish words directly into their talk. I do not think it is possible because they often play up their independence from the Polish culture and the topic of the discussion was rather controversial for Poles and Ukrainians.

[candle]

This is quiet interesting dilemma who are the Hutsulis, Boykos and Lemko. And all because they▓re speaking a Slavic language that is somewhere in between present Ukrainian and Polish languages. I did read previous posts about this dilemma and it took me a long time to think about why? I suspect it may happened because they where to some degree independent on their land especially at the very beginning. At list we know that Galichina always had a knight who paid taxes to Kiev. But what about Hutsulis, Boykos and Lemko? From where they came, why do they settled there, have they being there forever? I have no answer to that and most of the theories are just theories, no one know the truth. But, something hit me┘ their religion is the key to the answer. For people all over the world their religion is the more important identity. They align them selves by religion, and they would rather day before someone change their religion. And as far as I know they are Greek-Catholics, so┘

About the jokes, we all play jokes at someone expense. The closer the village to each other the funnier the joke, because they are so much the same that they basically are making jokes about them selves. And it is like that all over the world. I know 80 years old couple from Peru who all their life made jokes about each other villages that stay apart like few miles from each other. It▓s just little fun in life that made people happy. No harm from that.

[Volodya987]

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[I_Love_Ukraine]

Originally posted by Zbyszek
Hi Kathy, when I was in the Carpathinas last year and I attended a Greek Catholic mass, I listened to a "svyashchennik" (GC priest) very carefully and I had no basic problem in understanding his wishes directed to a young couple. I am not sure whether he spoke pure Ukrainian or was it influenced by the Polish neighbourhood. I have an impression now that Ukrainian is the language which is closest to Polish. I wonder whether in the USA or Canada you have the same impression. I'd like to point out that Polish in America is somewhat influenced by English.
The other day I watched a programme in the Polish TV on Volhynia and when the local Ukrainians started to speak. I had an impression that they inserted Polish words directly into their talk. I do not think it is possible because they often play up their independence from the Polish culture and the topic of the discussion was rather controversial for Poles and Ukrainians.

[bm-21Lemko]

Originally Posted by Zbyszek

Hi Kathy, when I was in the Carpathinas last year and I attended a Greek Catholic mass, I listened to a "svyashchennik" (GC priest) very carefully and I had no basic problem in understanding his wishes directed to a young couple. I am not sure whether he spoke pure Ukrainian or was it influenced by the Polish neighbourhood. I have an impression now that Ukrainian is the language which is closest to Polish. I wonder whether in the USA or Canada you have the same impression. I'd like to point out that Polish in America is somewhat influenced by English.
The other day I watched a programme in the Polish TV on Volhynia and when the local Ukrainians started to speak. I had an impression that they inserted Polish words directly into their talk. I do not think it is possible because they often play up their independence from the Polish culture and the topic of the discussion was rather controversial for Poles and Ukrainians.

I know this discussion is old.

Lemko uses polish syntax in their structure this is due to the great seperation between austria-hungary and the Russian empire. With that great barrier including the carpathian mountains much of the interaction would have been with polish or german villages.

tato - dad for both polish and ukrainian
tak - yes for both
babcia - grandmother
baran - goat
barwa - color
kaczka - duck

these are just a few examples.