Living in Ukraine

[Scar_ua]

Hi, Kevin.

... I needed to know how I can go about getting a job that allows me to live normally....

ZaldronTheSage (Kevin)

"Live normally.." It is depends of your diploma & qualification. In Ukrane You may get a job as programmer with salary $150-$200 per month. You may get a same job for $400-$600 per month in big cities , but living is more expensivee there, so all of your money will gone for paying for flat or renting room, food and cheap clothes.

If You do not have programmer speciality You'll have a some problems with looking for job, but anyway You'll find your $100 per month finally... You may live like all simple ukrainians for $100 in not very big town : everyday to think "To buy some meat today or to keep this money for buying the clothes for winter?"... You'll have enought money for paying for Your flat, but will have problem with money to spend Your summer holidays & fill Your free time...

But it is "Live normally" here, really -- You'll find something interesting in this life, this life will beset You & You'll forget any problems finally, except thinking about next day & waiting for next wages....

Of'coz all are not so bad, but there is a bit of sad truth here

Good luck

[ZaldronTheSage]

I want to thank you for your reply Scar_ua. One of the main reasons I wanted to move to Ukraine in the first place was the fact that I do not enjoy the people here in America...
This land is becoming corrupt and it is just not the way I want to live out my life. I am not downing America, it is a good place to live, just not for me. I am trying very hard to gain information on how I can live decently in Ukraine. I am not in need of luxuries, but just daily necessities that allow you to live humane.

I do plan on finishing out my schooling and getting my diploma, and then going on to some collage or university. So I guess that will always help in finding a job.

I see that the people are very kind and generous, which is good, but I also see that it is where you move to as well. I must say that my heart is in Europe, and I see the Ukraine as the most obvious choice for me.

I do thank you again for your help,

Kevin

[MidwayDave]

Wow! I forgot that I started this topic. I haven't been at this site since I started the topic. RICKNORTH I just wrote you in another topic (why men want Ukraian woman). It's nice that a few people responded to me. I still am thinking of moving. Things here in San Diego are behind schedule so I don't know when. For those of you reponding about money, let me say I'm smart enough to know that you don't move to the Ukraine for money or jobs. I want to move there to just check things out and try to find a nice Ukrainian girl to marry. Figured it to be to hard and messy to try to do the dating thing over the internet. Been working with some of the so called marriage agencies with little success. I am retired military on pension. So how much per month do I need to live comfortable near Odessa? Can I purchase property? Do I have to live in Soviet times housing(flats) or are there real houses there? How much for a house in or near Odessa? I'm not rich but I thought from what I read that a thousand a month should be plenty to live OK. These are type questions I need answered. I appreciate any help out there, not only from you locals but also from fellow Americans that are planning on going there like me. Might be better if some of pool our intel, kinda like a little club to help each other. So write one, write all.

MidwayDave

[ricknorth]

$1000.00 a month? You have a cocaine habit? Try living on what the locals live on, 40 to 100 per month for the family (single parent Mom and child).

In Sevastopol this month I will be looking at the possibility of buying an apartment building, making 3 room flats into 6 room suites, selling as condos. Somebody has money for'em over there, but few.

Then, just need to learn the lessons anyone who developed property in NYC had to learn from 1940 to 1970. How many palms to grease and asses to kiss just to get a building permit, contractors license, knock out a few walls, pass a building inspection, get a license to sell real estate or find partnership with someone there who does, get screwed by new partner......forget it, I'll find my chickie and stay here.

I have spoke with Svetlana about keeping her apartment in Sevastopol, if it works out with us. Her flat is $15 per month. Can't afford to let it go. Realistically, I can work the three warm seasons in construction here, and go there for Winter and Christmas and such. Although, the Black Sea would be nicer in Avgoost or Septaver.

[ILay]

ricknorth is right.

USD 1000 a month will be more than enough to live in the Black-sea coast cities.

About the houses: more expensive in Odessa, very cheap in other cities (especially Sevastopol).
Many Russians are leaving the country, so they sell their houses for very low prices. You can literraly buy a house in Sevastopol for USD 10000 (the house will not be something perfect, but the land piece - wonderful). Personally I'm planning to go to check the cities in Crimea right after Christmas (and I will definentely check the prices while i'll be in Pheodissia next week). It could be a good investment. Two thumbs up!

[Corrie]

Yes 1,000 is a lot to Ukrainians, BUT, you have to remember
Americans CANNOT live a cheaply as Ukrainains!
You pay 15 to 50 a month, an american is charged 200 to
400 for the same apartment.
An American is a easy target and is charged much more for
things. So like they say it's apples and oranges.
Not the same.

These are at least the stories I'm hearing from people in Kiev. Granted Kiev is more expensive for everyone, but
more so for US Citizens.

[MidwayDave]

Yes but I also heard there are ways around that. Like people there who negotiate the deal for you without the local knowing who he's renting to until it's to late. Or like buying something the same way. Or to do what I would like to do and that is to marry a Ukrainian girl and let her fingers do the walking. I'd gladly give her the money to pay the bills if she can get a better deal.