Memoir of a Ukrainian Auschwitz survivor

[Zbyszek]

Looking for some other materials, I found a moving account of Stefan Petelycky, "Into Auschwitz, for Ukraine".
It is worth reading. It contradicts stereotypes established by the Jewish circles and making us things that only Jews stayed in Auschwitz, suffered and died there. Petelycky, like Wladyslaw Szpilman, the author of "The Pianist" was haunted and was close to death many times by the Nazis. Also, like Szpilman, he returned to a free world with an opinion that there are no nations bad by definition, there are only bad systems and bad people.
He spent years in Auschwitz after being denounced as a Ukrainian nationalist by a Pole. Yet, another Pole saved his life in Auschwitz.
Petelycky was born in Western Ukraine at the time when it was under Polish control. Unlike many other devout nationalists, he could imagine free Ukraine with a presence of the Polish people. Today, we know that he belonged to a an honest minority among Ukrainian nationalists.
Slavs were treated like subhumans by the Germans and they were next for annihilation after Jews and Gypsies.
I grew up in poland reading such accounts but I did not realized that Ukrainians were also taken to concentration camps for their independence efforts.

http://www.uccla.ca/images/IAFU.pdf

[ukigirl]

i appreciate your input in all these forums...but frankly...i didn't register to this site to hear all about how great poland is...i have learned a lot from what you put in all your posts...but if u please try to not include little comments that aren't really needed. i'm glad you're proud of being polish...i am also proud of being a ukrainian...but this is UKRAINE.com.

[NZman]

Originally posted by ukigirl
i appreciate your input in all these forums...but frankly...i didn't register to this site to hear all about how great poland is...i have learned a lot from what you put in all your posts...but if u please try to not include little comments that aren't really needed. i'm glad you're proud of being polish...i am also proud of being a ukrainian...but this is UKRAINE.com.

Hi Ukigirl,

This is a very much a wasted effort... for this dudes interest in Ukraine is the same as Henry V's interest in France - he wants every inch of it for Poland as ole Hal wanted France for England... But you must beware for he has protection from his guardian angel who will delete you post if it challenges the Polish polemic... It is a disease with the Polish supper nationalist and they will never rest until they die or they get their empire back...

Careful the Catholic protectors...

Love the NZman

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by ukigirl
i appreciate your input in all these forums...but frankly...i didn't register to this site to hear all about how great poland is...i have learned a lot from what you put in all your posts...but if u please try to not include little comments that aren't really needed. i'm glad you're proud of being polish...i am also proud of being a ukrainian...but this is UKRAINE.com.

Hi Ukigirl, thank you for your voice. I realize I can disappoint or even irritate some Ukrainian readers... At the same time I know for sure I was able to please many Ukrainians as well, in spite of my "little comments". You can read it as somewhat provocative. The point is that discussion should not concentrate on forumers but rather on topics and it is something which was missing in your answer so I also feel disappointed. This forum is actually half dead and you could add some fire to the stove but you you failed to do so until now. One of respectable ukraine.com forumers, Ulysses found a German term for it: schadenfreude. I could also explain it through the NZman's "dog in the manger" approach.
BTW thank you NZman for drawing my attention to Ukigirl's reply. You did not disappoint me of course because you, as usual, revolve around your polackophobic axis. In fact, you once proved that your knowledge concerning Lviv's pubs is much more profound than that of Lviv's literature or history gurus. Thank you for confirming your interest scope once again. Also, many thanks for explaining hundredth time the forum community on what is Zbyszek's agenda.

[Edited by Zbyszek on 28th April 2004 at 22:07]

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by Dr_Watson
Zbyszek I saw a documentary on the cable about the Poles deported to Eastern USSR in WW2 before Barbarossa; sadly I missed the start and didn't catch the name.
It showed pictures of when they were 'freed' but went through a hellish journey to the Caspian and eventually arriving in Iran.
Shocking and rarely seen pictures of British officers and Persian people bringing food to these skeletal and exhausted blonde-haired Polish women lying around the quayside.
I don't know if the programme is shown often, or where it was made, but if you ever see it please tell me the name - I want to track it down and see it again.

Greetings to Sherlock Homes's respectable assistant! Hats off to you for correct translation of "no smoke without fire" on the other thread. I can say sometimes defensive tactics is as valuable as a violent attack. NZman should consider it. I remember splendid Italian defense philosophy crypted as catenaccio in soccer of the sixties/seventies. So, as a supper nationalist I dare say something about the Polish officers who were "taken over" by the Soviets in 1939 on the Ukrainian territory. Many of them died in Katyn and many others were planned to be used by Stalin in fight . Unfortunately, there was not enough food to feed an army and they were transferred to the Western Front in the middle of WWWII through the Iranian soil.
I do not know the name of a TV program but the Army commander was Gen. Wladyslaw Anders. Later on, they were much useful in Northern Africa and then in Western Europe.

BTW, I rememeber my school days when the commie propaganda tried to explain the way to Iran as a deliberate and malicious manouver of Anders aimed at weakening the Soviet force. Could anyone believe that Stalin was blind or weak enough to miss the "manouver" of an army of doubtful allies? The hunger explanation was carefully avoided.

[NZman]

[quote]Originally posted by Dr_Watson
[quote]Originally posted by NZman


That is the least parallel historical parallel since... I dunno; answers on a postcard to...

If you had read Hennry the V you'd get it but hey... That be school eductaion in POMsville


You had a go at his spelling so we can assume you would not make any similar mistakes.

I'm as thick as a stick in a bucket of pig swill dude, but I know Lviv is spelt this way

Zbyszek: Are you only a nationalist during supper?

She is a rabid nationalist all day... but as the actual Ukrainians have left the board no one cares
Good to see you both.

Like the Srbska banner NZman; but someone's stolen a star off your Australian flag - disgraceful!

Man that's funny - I need to ring me kilt out again
Love the NZman
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[NZman]

[quote]Originally posted by Zbyszek

Originally posted by ukigirl


Hi Ukigirl, thank you for your voice. I realize I can disappoint or even irritate some Ukrainian readers... At the same time I know for sure I was able to please many Ukrainians as well, in spite of my "little comments". You can read it as somewhat provocative. The point is that discussion should not concentrate on forumers but rather on topics and it is something which was missing in your answer so I also feel disappointed. This forum is actually half dead and you could add some fire to the stove but you you failed to do so until now. One of respectable ukraine.com forumers, Ulysses found a German term for it: schadenfreude. I could also explain it through the NZman's "dog in the manger" approach.
BTW thank you NZman for drawing my attention to Ukigirl's reply. You did not disappoint me of course because you, as usual, revolve around your polackophobic axis. In fact, you once proved that your knowledge concerning Lviv's pubs is much more profound than that of Lviv's literature or history gurus. Thank you for confirming your interest scope once again. Also, many thanks for explaining hundredth time the forum community on what is Zbyszek's agenda.

[Edited by Bartosz on 28th April 2004 at 22:07]

YYYAAAAWWWWWNNNNN

By history gurus you is talkin' about Norman Davis again... Jeez dude if you had more than one cylinder to fire on you would be a tad less of a rampant nationalist... But hey - why bother dude partic' as you has you protector now

What is worse the Polish Racist whoadmits they is a rampant nationalist or the Polish Racist who pretends they ain't and only speak historical facts... You must have learned a lot from the POM BNP

Love the NZman