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Old 15th March 2008, 10:23
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Patronymics with non-Ukrainian names?

Are patronymics usually used with non-Ukrainian first names? The only cases I've seen this done with is in fiction, so I don't know how accurate it is. In informal discussion (in Ukrainian) with someone with a non-Ukrainian name, would you just call them (first name), or (first name) (patronymic) as would be done with a true-born Ukrainian?

Secondly, I'm an adoptee with a close relationship with both my natural (Irish) and adoptive (Ukrainian) father. My natural father's first name is Stephen (which lends more readily to a patronymic), and my adoptive father's first name is Bradley--he's second-generation Canadian, so does not have a Ukrainian first name. Since I'm on good terms with both, (supposing it's proper to use patronymics for a non-Ukrainian name) would it be more correct to use my natural father's name (Stephanovich?) for my patronymic, or my legal father's name. (I can only guess that the correct way to form a patronymic for Bradley would be Bradliyev. I can't seem to find any useful English-language pages on forming patronymics for foreign names, and I'm still not skilled enough in Ukrainian to read even a short passage)

I think it would be simpler, in my case, to dispense with the patronymic, but I don't want it to seem like a rejection of Ukrainian culture.
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Old 16th March 2008, 13:10
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I think it depends on where you live and which culture belong to. In Ukraine all non-Ukrainian names have patronymics. People of Jewish, German, Polish and all other nationalities use and never reject them. It is a very polite and tactful way of addressing people.

Your situation is a bit funny. Irish name Stephen has Ukrainian equivalent Stepan/Stephan so it’s patronymic form looks absolutely Ukrainian. Bradley is strange and in addition contains a root which is offensive in Ukrainian. But it is OK in English. Its possible correct patronymic form will be Bradleyovich ( note correct suffix ).

Using of patronymics has its own history and discussions about them . I think it’s very good you try to use it. If your adoptive father is and feels Ukrainian don’t avoid using patronymic in his honor. You can say to him that in Ukrainian culture all names ( including non-Ukrainian ones) have patronymic forms. I am sure he will be very pleased.
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