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[Gotno Gizmo]

AkMike,

I get upset by your generalities that Ukraine is only 20 years old and that since Soviet communism has ended life in Ukraine is so much better. Ukraine is not a new country, it is only had a change of governmental system and modus operandi. The roads, railways, hospitals/ health / education systems, and the industrial infrastructure that are the backbone of a nation were already there. When you consider the improvement of a nation you must examine the improvement of these structures as part of your judgement.

Of course, availability of goods and all products have improved beyond recognition (if you can afford them). Kiev is being modernised at a noticeable pace. However, this modernisation is not typical for the most part of the country. Within these 20 years it is a common perception that these important above mentioned structures are deteriorating. That unemployment, and unavailabilty of affordable housing for young marrying couples is increasing. That access to the best health care for those that cannot pay for the "extras" is decreasing. That some of the former norms of high educational standards are being compromised.

Of course, the nation needs to develop its financial base since the end of communism, but it was then and is not now void of all resources, for it is out of those resources that for the most part part has come the Bentleys, Ferraris, Mercedes, gated country mansions with security and other tokens of conspicuous wealth that can be readily seen against a backdrop of decaying streets and public services. Why are the pretty young Ukrainian ladies putting their profiles on the internet hoping to gain a husband in the west? Because they do not share your view that life for them is getting better. They can see no future for anything approaching a good life in Ukraine based on current indicators. Whether or not their view of a better life elesewhere is realistic is another matter.

[nickcsadler]

I have to agree with Gotno.... life is getting tougher in Ukraine... however I do believe this will turn around and Ukraine will become stronger....

[AkMike]

To each their own opinion.. I firmly believe what I have seen. The economy isn't a ball of fire there but it isn't here or anywhere. It has improved considerably from my first trip there 8 years ago. Is it up to western standards everywhere? No, but many places in the west aren't up to western standards either.
Gottono, the country is 20 years old.. The land and the culture is very old. The government is new and needs to sort itself out

To eyegab,
I haven't been to the western mountains yet so I don't know of the scenery there except for pics that friends have taken. The central area, Kyiv and south is more like the mid-west US. Great flat farmland with some hills. There are some small mountains around Krim/Crimean Penn. It's all beautiful and you really should vist if you get the chance. The folks there are very good for the most part.

[eyegab]

Originally Posted by AkMike

To each their own opinion.. I firmly believe what I have seen. The economy isn't a ball of fire there but it isn't here or anywhere. It has improved considerably from my first trip there 8 years ago. Is it up to western standards everywhere? No, but many places in the west aren't up to western standards either.
Gottono, the country is 20 years old.. The land and the culture is very old. The government is new and needs to sort itself out

To eyegab,
I haven't been to the western mountains yet so I don't know of the scenery there except for pics that friends have taken. The central area, Kyiv and south is more like the mid-west US. Great flat farmland with some hills. There are some small mountains around Krim/Crimean Penn. It's all beautiful and you really should vist if you get the chance. The folks there are very good for the most part.

Thanks for your reply. I would enjoy visiting and seeing the place for myself. Western standards are also slipping into decay. I believe that all of this governmental meddling and decay of civilization is by design.

There are the globalist elites who want to make their money and prestige greater and they are the ones who control the central banks, the world bank, and the international monetary fund. They are using the money to make economic war on we peasants, and literal war on those who don't want to be part of the world government plan.

[eyegab]

Originally Posted by Gotno Gizmo

AkMike,

I get upset by your generalities that Ukraine is only 20 years old and that since Soviet communism has ended life in Ukraine is so much better. Ukraine is not a new country, it is only had a change of governmental system and modus operandi. The roads, railways, hospitals/ health / education systems, and the industrial infrastructure that are the backbone of a nation were already there. When you consider the improvement of a nation you must examine the improvement of these structures as part of your judgement.

Of course, availability of goods and all products have improved beyond recognition (if you can afford them). Kiev is being modernised at a noticeable pace. However, this modernisation is not typical for the most part of the country. Within these 20 years it is a common perception that these important above mentioned structures are deteriorating. That unemployment, and unavailabilty of affordable housing for young marrying couples is increasing. That access to the best health care for those that cannot pay for the "extras" is decreasing. That some of the former norms of high educational standards are being compromised.

Of course, the nation needs to develop its financial base since the end of communism, but it was then and is not now void of all resources, for it is out of those resources that for the most part part has come the Bentleys, Ferraris, Mercedes, gated country mansions with security and other tokens of conspicuous wealth that can be readily seen against a backdrop of decaying streets and public services. Why are the pretty young Ukrainian ladies putting their profiles on the internet hoping to gain a husband in the west? Because they do not share your view that life for them is getting better. They can see no future for anything approaching a good life in Ukraine based on current indicators. Whether or not their view of a better life elesewhere is realistic is another matter.

Thanks Gotnogizmo, for your reply. It is kinda what I've heard from somewhere else, that life seems tough on people there. Government is like fire. It is fearsome if it gets out of control, and should always be tended as if it will get out of control. Better a smaller governemnt that just delivers the mail and protects the citizens from outside invasion than a bigger government that controls everything. Oh well, the spiritual side of things is changing, too. What we see is also the meddling of demonic influences into human affairs.