SS Galicia

[Zbyszek]

Originally Posted by bm-21Lemko

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not only that, polish police helped the NKVD torture and kill ukrainian nationalists (UPA OUN) from periods of 1939-1941.

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I wonder what next crime against humanity will be attributed to Poles?
Maybe Hitler was a Pole as well, only dressed in a German uniform and sent to kill Ukrainians?
It sounds strange and shocking today, on September ONE, when German Army rushed on Poland and stayed there for long six years. All the examples of Polish heroism and ultimate sacrifice during WWII, done to help many European nations outside Poland is now reversed and turned against Polish people.
I would like to stress once more that no Polish authority, official or underground, supported any tortures or killing of Ukrainian people during WWII. Vasyl, you say about isolated incidents and you give an impression that it was organized action. That is deplorable. There was no OUN-UPA equivalent in the Polish underground force.
You absoutely lost proportion in accussing Poles as main Ukrainian enemy. I know no Polish doctrine during WWII declaring that Ukrainians were Polish enemies.
It is hard to imagine that the same Poles defending London, fighting in Dunkerque, Narvik, Tobruk, Monte Cassino, Breda, Lenino, Dresden, Berlin were bent on torturing & killing Ukrainians.




And second, practical thought - how those 4 percent of ethnic Poles in Volyn (your statistics Vasyl, not mine), harassed and terrorized by the Soviets which appeared all of a sudden in 1939 bringing "freedom and liberation for Ukrainian people oppressed by the "polskie pany""could be any force capable of doing so many wrongs????????????????????????????????????????

[bm-21Lemko]

And second, practical thought - how those 4 percent of ethnic Poles in Volyn (your statistics Vasyl, not mine), harassed and terrorized by the Soviets which appeared all of a sudden in 1939 bringing "freedom and liberation for Ukrainian people oppressed by the "polskie pany""could be any force capable of doing so many wrongs????????????????????????????????????????

what? I dont understand what you are saying here, you are jumping around.

As i have said before the polish police in the volyhn assisted with the soviets in picking out people that were ukrainian nationalists.
As for the soviets being friends i dont think so, the NKVD were brutal toward the ukrainian populace.
As for my statistic, ok its wrong but the population wasn't over 10% until the 1938 polish pilgrims came. so basically my point still stands minority rules majority and they did beat up and torture ukrainins in prewar poland.

I wonder what next crime against humanity will be attributed to Poles?

well they did commit ethnic cleansing that is Armia krajowa, in Dubingiai massacre where they killed all the lithuanian men but did not kill their polish wives. They used possession of Lithuanian prayer books as a means of identifying Lithuanian men.

You absoutely lost proportion in accussing Poles as main Ukrainian enemy.

Where did i claim the poles were the main enemy of the Ukrainians. That is not true. UPA, OUN, and other ukrainian groups attacked the soviet forces(including partisans) and german forces(including auxillary forces)

I would like to stress once more that no Polish authority, official or underground, supported any tortures or killing of Ukrainian people during WWII.

yet it happened. Pre-war, during war.


my point is not initiate that the poles are the enemy. my point is the UPA-OUN have the right to be regarded as heroes and as veterans of WWII. Because no side has any purity in them.