Photos of UPA's victims

[dobko]

Originally Posted by MichaelB_PL

Perhaps my knowledge of Nazi Germany is lacking, but I think most these elements can be attributed to it as well- things like glorification of the leader, severe discipline, lack of political pluralism, etc.

Still, I do not fully understand what your point was- to me it is obvious that Soviets did not murder Poles because they never cared about ethnicity much - compared to OUN.


Michael

You show your ignorance, Mike.



A Man-Made Famine raged through Ukraine, the ethnic-Ukrainian region of northern Caucasus, and the lower Volga River region in 1932-33. Between 7 to 10 million people, mainly Ukrainians, starved to death.

Planned by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin.

[MichaelB_PL]

Originally Posted by dobko

You show your ignorance, Mike.

A Man-Made Famine raged through Ukraine, the ethnic-Ukrainian region of northern Caucasus, and the lower Volga River region in 1932-33. Between 7 to 10 million people, mainly Ukrainians, starved to death.

Planned by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin.

And where is the ignorance you speak of?

I know about the Great Famine and I know majority of the victims were Ukrainian, but the Great Famine did not happen because Soviets or Stalin had any kind of special hate toward Ukrainians.
(Stalin was generally murderous and Ukrainians had the bad luck to be his target in his worst years)

Stalin did punish "disobedient nations", but it was never a strong special prejustice toward other nationalities- and he never really tried to create a mono-ethnic state, like Nazis and OUN wanted to.

Ultimatively, mass murder and totalitarism was the common trait of Nazis, Communists and OUN, I condemn all three, but the small technical difference was that for Nazis and OUN cared greatly about national issues, while Soviets cared much less.
Of course, this does not make them better in any way, just bit different than the other two.



Michael

[dobko]

Double talk.

If you believe it was just misfortune on the Ukrainian's part, then you're a bigger ass than I previously believed, Mike.

[Unbreakable]

So this Polish nazi/commie failed to distort the truth with some pieces of Polish fascist propaganda or logical arguments √ and now disgustingly tries to use some pictures...
What next? √ Video with some cheap Polish actors?

- And where are the pictures of Ukrainian patriots murdered in Polish concentration camps √ years before WW2?

- And pictures of Ukrainians killed before Volyn▓ tragedy? √ since 1942 to 1943 more than 2000 Ukrainians were murdered by AK rascals on western Ukrainian ethnic lands (Grubeshiv, Holm, Volodava etc)

- And pictures of Ukrainians killed on Volyn▓? - by Polish Polizeis or AK scoundrels √ by orders of so-called Polish (Sikorsky/Mikolaychyk) government_in_exile (these bloody fascists hoped/attempted to keep ⌠Lebensraum■ for Polish greedy scum on Ukrainian ethnic lands)┘

Who could make these pictures?
Couple of kids lucky to escape?
Or AK ⌠colleagues■ √ SS/NKVD?
(BTW - if not German offensive √ would we see pictures of Polish officers murdered in Katyn▓?)

Yes - Ukrainians (mainly not UPA soldiers √ but common peasants) killed Poles on Volyn √ but these were only desperate actions of revenge for relatives/countrymen murdered by Polish occupants/robbers┘
UPA actions there were only protective/defensive┘
Civilians on Volyn fell victims of Polish fascist/colonial/occupying policy┘
And now some ignorant Polish commie/nazi tries to blame Ukrainians √ for defense of their Homeland from bloody occupants?
Blame Yourself, "herr/tavarishch" Mihal, - for being hopelessly ignorant...

[MichaelB_PL]

Originally Posted by dobko

Double talk.

If you believe it was just misfortune on the Ukrainian's part, then you're a bigger ass than I previously believed, Mike.

I think you are getting a bit too emotional here. Yes, I believe Ukrainians had huge bad luck to be the target of a psychopatic leader in his worst years. I also believe that it was one of the biggest mass murders in human history, comparable to Holocaust... but in this thread I was referring to it's cause, not to it's scale or significance, thus the relatively 'dry' tone.

Originally Posted by Unbreakable

So this Polish nazi/commie failed to distort the truth with some pieces of Polish fascist propaganda or logical arguments √ and now disgustingly tries to use some pictures...

Charming reaction of a worshipper of a criminal organisation when confronted with visual proof the organisation's wrongdoings.

- And where are the pictures of Ukrainian patriots murdered in Polish concentration camps √ years before WW2?

There are none and there could't be any, for it's just a fairy tale - the Bereza Katruska (only Polish 'concentration' camp before WWII) was no death camp and the rate of deaths there was very low.

UPA actions there were only protective/defensive┘

So murdering the 3 children on one of the photos was also protective/defensive?

Civilians on Volyn fell victims of Polish fascist/colonial/occupying policy┘

Typical right-wing extremist syndrome of blaming the victim's side.

And now some ignorant Polish commie/nazi tries to blame Ukrainians √ for defense of their Homeland from bloody occupants?

I don't condemn UPA for fighting with armed Polish forces, I condemn them for murdering defenseless civilians, women and children.

Blame Yourself, "herr/tavarishch" Mihal, - for being hopelessly ignorant...

So far, you have't posted any arguments, just ideological drivel. It's almost funny to see you label anyone as ignorant- almost funny, because similiarily brainwashed extremists of your kind as exactly the people who later commit mass murders and atrocities in the name of their ideologies.


Michael

[benda]

Originally Posted by MichaelB_PL

Perhaps my knowledge of Nazi Germany is lacking, but I think most these elements can be attributed to it as well- things like glorification of the leader, severe discipline, lack of political pluralism, etc.
Michael

Not quite. If it had been "severe discipline" then so many efforts to kill Hitler wouldn't have taken place. If there had been lack of political pluralism then different branches of power wouldn't have been competed and the situation when Himmler tried to sign a separate treaty with England and the USA, despite plans of Hitler, wouldn't have happened.

But in whole some properties are typical for any totalitarian regime. So that's a question: if OUN had totalitarian ideology and Soviets had totalitarian ideology either, what's the difference?

[ukebandit]

payback is a *****;my family lost over 11 members to those "brave Polish cavalry" boxheads with their noses in the air,...polacki do sracki...lol